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Notmyrealname wrote: »No they're not. There's a world of difference in build quality.
Take my Macbook Pro. 30 months old, battery has done 323 cycles and is still at 89% of original capacity. You could buy a Windows laptop with more RAM and a larger hard drive for £350 at the time, one third of the price. However the battery wouldn't have lasted a year and chances are the hinges would be long gone.
You could buy an equivalent build quality Windows laptop - Thinkpad T or X series or Dell Latitude - with a price tag similar to Macbook Pros for a similar spec.
You're trying to do the automotive equivalent of comparing a 1.6L FSO Polonez to a 1.6L Audi. "They've got the same sized engine, four wheels, four doors, boot, bonnet....."
I agree with this. Apple computers last .... Windows based PCs always need upgrading within a year or two. I have an original mac mini when it very first came out bought second hand, still going strong, used everyday, never even had a RAM upgrade ( and you do not need to buy RAM off Apple )
Never been reformatted, never broke down, never caused any issues. My original emac is still in operation - a friend bought it quite a few years ago and now her children use it.
I used to build PCs many years ago and wouldn't have one thrown at me. Each to their own though the Windows OS isn't even on the scale compared to the Mac OS - IMHO, there is no comparison.
Sad to hear the iMac didn't get revamped though. Hope it does!“How people treat you becomes their karma; how you react becomes yours.”0 -
Anyone comparing iMac prices to PC towers please stop! Go ahead and compare them to other All In Ones, but you must understand that they ARE different to a tower with a monitor. They DON'T use all the same components. They use some. In the iMac, that would be a 3.5" hard drive, and a desktop processor. The RAM is laptop AFAIK. Where are the speakers for your towers? What about the fans and other cooling?
NOT the same product by a long way.
I don't see your point, as has already been mentioned they are both competing in the desktop arena. If I look for a new desktop computer I would compare them.Notmyrealname wrote: »Their hardware is not overpriced. I priced up an equivalent spec PC to a 27" iMac. It came to £100 more and didn't have Thunderbolt, I had to use a mid-range motherboard and the display was on sale.
OK NMRN, I'm sure in the middle of apples "reality distortion field" £80 for 4GB of RAM is perfectly normal pricing. For everyone else £20 per 1GB of RAM is extortion.Notmyrealname wrote: »No they're not. There's a world of difference in build quality.
Take my Macbook Pro. 30 months old, battery has done 323 cycles and is still at 89% of original capacity. You could buy a Windows laptop with more RAM and a larger hard drive for £350 at the time, one third of the price. However the battery wouldn't have lasted a year and chances are the hinges would be long gone.
Lets just pretend what you've said is true in reality and not just the usual fanboy FUD, would it not also be the case that I could buy a new battery every year (which I've never needed to do) for say 5 years and if the hinges did go (never happened to me) fix those and still the laptop would be under half the price of your mac??? Pretty much yes, admit it.
Also are we talking about the same mac you had to replace the keyboard on??? Such is the build quality heh.You could buy an equivalent build quality Windows laptop - Thinkpad T or X series or Dell Latitude - with a price tag similar to Macbook Pros for a similar spec.You're trying to do the automotive equivalent of comparing a 1.6L FSO Polonez to a 1.6L Audi. "They've got the same sized engine, four wheels, four doors, boot, bonnet....."I agree with this. Apple computers last .... Windows based PCs always need upgrading within a year or two. I have an original mac mini when it very first came out bought second hand, still going strong, used everyday, never even had a RAM upgrade ( and you do not need to buy RAM off Apple )
My PCs dont need upgrading every year or two. When I do upgrade its because I want to. And you're half right you should have said "you shouldn't buy RAM from apple!"Never been reformatted, never broke down, never caused any issues. My original emac is still in operation - a friend bought it quite a few years ago and now her children use it.I used to build PCs many years ago and wouldn't have one thrown at me. Each to their own though the Windows OS isn't even on the scale compared to the Mac OS - IMHO, there is no comparison.0 -
OK NMRN, I'm sure in the middle of apples "reality distortion field" £80 for 4GB of RAM is perfectly normal pricing. For everyone else £20 per 1GB of RAM is extortion.
It's been difficult to find since with Dell you seemingly can't upgrade the RAM on most of their systems, but for one that you can (I can only find one on the US site), it's $100 for an extra 4GB of RAM. That's £76.80 once you've added VAT to the price, although I appreciate that simply taking the American price and adding VAT doesn't give a true reflection of what something would actually cost in this country.0 -
mrochester wrote: »I think there's some confusion here because you're talking about the cost of upgrades whereas Notmyrealname is likely talking about the cost of base spec. Upgrade pricing is always more expensive than buying the individual components yourself.
Theres no confusion, stop trying to side step the issue. Are apple charging £80 for 4GB of RAM or not?It's been difficult to find since with Dell you seemingly can't upgrade the RAM on most of their systems, but for one that you can (I can only find one on the US site), it's $100 for an extra 4GB of RAM. That's £76.80 once you've added VAT to the price, although I appreciate that simply taking the American price and adding VAT doesn't give a true reflection of what something would actually cost in this country.
I'll take your word for it (and it wouldn't surprise me with Dell either) but I will say I don't buy from Dell because they rip you off just like apple do.0 -
Theres no confusion, stop trying to side step the issue. Are apple charging £80 for 4GB of RAM or not?
I'll take your word for it (and it wouldn't surprise me with Dell either) but I will say I don't buy from Dell because they rip you off just like apple do.
OK so your issue is with the industry as a whole then. I don't think you're ever going to get RAM upgrades from a manufacturer that are as cheap as DIY. You're paying for someone else to do the work for you and you're paying for a non-standard configuration.0 -
meh http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/configurePrd.asp?idproduct=1213 4gb ram upgrade for £19Drop a brand challenge
on a £100 shop you might on average get 70 items save
10p per product = £7 a week ~ £28 a month
20p per product = £14 a week ~ £56 a month
30p per product = £21 a week ~ £84 a month (or in other words one weeks shoping at the new price)0 -
meh http://www.dinopc.com/shop/pc/configurePrd.asp?idproduct=1213 4gb ram upgrade for £19
Isn't that just a custom PC maker and not a manufacturer?0 -
Theres no confusion, stop trying to side step the issue. Are apple charging £80 for 4GB of RAM or not?
I'll take your word for it (and it wouldn't surprise me with Dell either) but I will say I don't buy from Dell because they rip you off just like apple do.
Are you an Apple hater? if so why click and comment on a post about the lack of an upgrade to one Apple item. It's not someone wanting advice on what machine to buy, just a post to other Apple geeks on opinion about what may happen. But you come on to create an argument, and in my opinion offer nothing to the post. Great, you think Apple are overpriced, who cares? I don't, as I feel over time I have had my money's worth with what I have chose to spend MY money on... however if ever I have to buy a PC I will ask your opinion... don't hold you breath...0 -
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My PCs dont need upgrading every year or two. When I do upgrade its because I want to. And you're half right you should have said "you shouldn't buy RAM from apple!"
I have PC's I can say the same for, ones an Advent 4211. Whats your point?
I can imagine most people wouldn't want a PC thrown at them, some are heavy! Opinions, opinions.
Except for RAM once, which cost me £15 for 4GB I don't need to upgrade an Apple - ever.
My opinion is based on building and fixing computers in the past. It's not really the computer that's the main issue, it is the overbloated slug OS called Windows.
I can cold boot my Apple and within 10 seconds have this forum up in a browser window. The same cannot be said of a windows based system....loading unnecessary asthetics, loading drivers, loading graphics drivers, loading oven with food to eat while waiting....loading rest of crap....crunch, grind...searching for IP...connecting....3 or 5 minutes later you might be in luck :rotfl:
Installing something...click next, next, pick this, click next..next...next...5 minutes later or even longer...congratulations, you have installed xxxxxx please reboot.
Apple... Put disk in, drag and drop program into programs folder, 10 seconds later all done!“How people treat you becomes their karma; how you react becomes yours.”0
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