Tyre Damage - is it safe to drive

Notmyrealname

LordSVS wrote: »

To continue to drive with a tyre like that is irresponsible. Drive to the nearest tyre place and get it sorted. You're not only putting yourself (and whoever else in the car), in danger, but you're also putting me and my family in danger.

Rubbish.

If the police were to stop you and check the tyres, you would be handed a £60 fine and 3 points. It's not worth it. Get a cheap £40 tyre fitted and everyone will be happy.

Lord SVS

So you bleat on about safety then tell them to go get a teflon tyre fitted which will be worse than what they have on now.

Unbelievable.

Personally IMO if you've got the cheapest budget tyres on your car you need to get them changed for something that will actually stop in the wet and go round corners because to use your own words, you're not only putting yourself (and whoever else in the car), in danger, but you're also putting me and my family in danger. If you're behind me and I need to stop quickly, you'll take far further to stop than I do.

alastairq

Personally IMO if you've got the cheapest budget tyres on your car you need to get them changed for something that will actually stop in the wet and go round corners because to use your own words, you're not only putting yourself (and whoever else in the car), in danger, but you're also putting me and my family in danger. If you're behind me and I need to stop quickly, you'll take far further to stop than I do.

Whilst I disagree with the direction the Scottish poster took...based as it was on ll-informed supposition, I have to say, so is your opinion.

The ability of a tyre to ''stop in the wet, go round corners'', as you put it, isn't at all related to the price paid, or the manufacturer, or even, where the tyre was made.

Far more influence over those two attributes is applied by the driver.


I have four quite different makes of tyre on each corner of my car, the very cheapest I could buy.

Yet, I absolutely guarantee I will stop quicker than you, if I had to, if I were behind you.

For the simple reason that I apply good driving techniques.....some of which you will find in the Highway Code [such as 'distancing'? The 2 or 4 second rule, for example?]!

What should be of concern to us all on the roads, is the fact that your own standards of observation and anticipation [as assessed in your driving test] may have fallen to the extent that you have to rely upon sheer stopping power to avoid a nasty situation.

However, you are not alone in falling into that driving trap.....evidence of this forum [and its opinions] alone shows that.

vaio

alastairq wrote: »

.......I have four quite different makes of tyre on each corner of my car, the very cheapest I could buy........

scary

alastairq wrote: »

......Yet, I absolutely guarantee I will stop quicker than you, if I had to, if I were behind you.........

scarier still

alastairq wrote: »

......For the simple reason that I apply good driving techniques.....some of which you will find in the Highway Code [such as 'distancing'? The 2 or 4 second rule, for example?]!

What should be of concern to us all on the roads, is the fact that your own standards of observation and anticipation [as assessed in your driving test] may have fallen to the extent that you have to rely upon sheer stopping power to avoid a nasty situation.

However, you are not alone in falling into that driving trap.....evidence of this forum [and its opinions] alone shows that.

Yep, good technique will avoid a lot of trouble but sometimes the unexpected/unforeseeable happens and in those situations I DO want "sheer stopping power" and if that happens I'll guarantee my Goodyear GSD3's *insert other quality tyre of your choice* will perform much better than your mismatched set of bargain basement cheepies especially in the wet.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm

60 to zero in the wet for good tyres is about 45m, for the Linglongs & Rockstones etc at your end of the market the 60-0 distance is 65 or 70m

Notmyrealname

alastairq wrote: »

Whilst I disagree with the direction the Scottish poster took...based as it was on ll-informed supposition, I have to say, so is your opinion.

The ability of a tyre to ''stop in the wet, go round corners'', as you put it, isn't at all related to the price paid, or the manufacturer, or even, where the tyre was made.

Far more influence over those two attributes is applied by the driver.

To a point. The ability of a tyre to stop in the wet is, all other factors removed, down to the tread design and the compound of rubber used.

I have four quite different makes of tyre on each corner of my car, the very cheapest I could buy.

Yet, I absolutely guarantee I will stop quicker than you, if I had to, if I were behind you.


For the simple reason that I apply good driving techniques.....some of which you will find in the Highway Code [such as 'distancing'? The 2 or 4 second rule, for example?]!

What should be of concern to us all on the roads, is the fact that your own standards of observation and anticipation [as assessed in your driving test] may have fallen to the extent that you have to rely upon sheer stopping power to avoid a nasty situation.

However, you are not alone in falling into that driving trap.....evidence of this forum [and its opinions] alone shows that.

I've driven 2 milion miles points and accident free. Nothing wrong here.

However you're talking out of your backside as plenty of tyre tests prove.

There is a world of difference between the best and worst when it comes to stopping distances in the wet. You can think that you're the best driver in the world - you could be the best driver in the world. But even the best driver in the world cannot make a tyre with abysmal wet braking performance stop as quickly as the worst driver on the best performing.

Notmyrealname

vaio wrote: »

Yep, good technique will avoid a lot of trouble but sometimes the unexpected/unforeseeable happens and in those situations I DO want "sheer stopping power" and if that happens I'll guarantee my Goodyear GSD3's *insert other quality tyre of your choice* will perform much better than your mismatched set of bargain basement cheepies especially in the wet.

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Autobild-50-Tyre-Braking-Test.htm

60 to zero in the wet for good tyres is about 45m, for the Linglongs & Rockstones etc at your end of the market the 60-0 distance is 65 or 70m

I find it incredible people like him still spout the crap they do despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. All I can assume is they're trying to con themselves that they have good tyres.

mikey72

Is it just me that knows I'll be half asleep, day dreaming, watching the cows in the fields, and not driving using my spidey senses when something bad happens. The only driver that ever worries me are the ones that know they have absolutely never made a mistake. The rest of us drive to suit our honest abilities, and know when we've cocked up.

photome

alastairq wrote: »

I have four quite different makes of tyre on each corner of my car, the very cheapest I could buy.

Yet, I absolutely guarantee I will stop quicker than you, if I had to, if I were behind you.

.

Shocking

As a has been pointed out there is a world of difference in wet stopping power between the best and worst performing tyres, the worst usually being cheap budget tyres and the best driver in the world can not make them stop quicker

And having 4 different tyres with 4 potentially different stopping abilities is just crazy

The OP tyre is still safe though just incase anyone had forgoten the original point of the thread

alastairq

The only driver that ever worries me are the ones that know they have absolutely never made a mistake. The rest of us drive to suit our honest abilities, and know when we've cocked up.

For sure...and so few actually learn correctly from their mistakes.

However.........

There is no such thing as 'the best driver in the world'!

That is an argument fomented by those who cannot see beyond the dramatic..

It isn't about how we have behaved in the past.


It is about how we cope with the next situation we come across.

How we cope with that, will depend very much on what we have learnt, by experience and education, in the past.

Most will claim to have experience, ...and so they might have...but exactly how, and what, they have learnt from that experience may well be far from the reality.

Anybody who has undergone any so-called 'advanced' driver training will be aware that part of that training centres on how we learn from 'experience'.

As some of our Constabularial posters might realise, making a 120mph drive safe doesn't happen by chance.

It is a deliberate, conscious effort on the driver's behalf.

In just the same way,all my driving.[whether at work or not] is subject to a deliberate, conscious effort on my part.

It strikes me that, from the comments of many on here, elsewhere there is less than a total deliberate, conscious effort being applied to driving.

Why it should be so?

Well,currently I'm off pay, so I'll keep my thoughts silent.....but I will say that achieving a good standard of driving isn't hard...it isn't difficult, and is within the capabilities of everyone.

Therefore, I will keep my multi-faceted tyres, as I have no problems with them....[unlike our local Police in the past, and Goodyear tyres??].....they provide grip, wet and dry....within my parameters....I have no problems with speed control..or direction, for that matter...[and far eastern tyres are not the cheapest for me, either]....and wear rates are good.

And tests remain exactly what they are....tests...which demonstrate a performance in extreme conditions... conditions no thinking driver should ever get into...or is likely to get into.

mikey72

alastairq wrote: »

...........It is a deliberate, conscious effort </b>on the driver's behalf.

In just the same way,all my driving.[whether at work or not] is subject to a deliberate, conscious effort on my part.

It strikes me that, from the comments of many on here, elsewhere there is less than a total deliberate, conscious effort being applied to driving.

Why it should be so?

..........................

</p> That's the problem, I know, once in a while, I'll slip, it won't be 100% deliberate, or conscious. Anyone that claims they do, every minute, or every hour, day in day out, they worry me.

alastairq

photome wrote: »

Shocking

As a has been pointed out there is a world of difference in wet stopping power between the best and worst performing tyres, the worst usually being cheap budget tyres and the best driver in the world can not make them stop quicker

And having 4 different tyres with 4 potentially different stopping abilities is just crazy

The OP tyre is still safe though just incase anyone had forgoten the original point of the thread

yup, I stand by what I say...I will stop quicker than the vehicle in front.

Why not?

Neither you, nor anybody else, has any evidence apart from hearsay and urban myth [the more dramatic the better?] to rely upon.

Stopping distances are a fantasy.

they are subject to so many variables as to be ludicrous...and really only represent at worst a marketing exercise...at best, they will be entirely misinterpreted by those who wish not to read what actually is there.

Even the Highway Code 'stopping distances' are stated as being under the strictest of criteria.

Criteria a driver is unlikely to find outside of a test area.

[for example, what if, a driver's 'thinking distance' is actually shorter than that stated? No allowance whatsoever is made for 'anticipation'.....a core skill looked for in a driving test?]

It really doesn't matter how expensive, or 'matched' one's tyres are...or how 'good' one's braking system is supposed to be..or how much technology exists to aid shorter stopping distances if...the driver has made a gross error in the first instance.


More to the point, it is doubtful if your own tyres are in any way 'matching'!


They will all display differing wear characteristics [which can affect 'stopping distance.....the more worn, in the dry, the better, perhaps??}

They all were made probably at different times, maybe even in different factories? In different countries?

Subject to quality control parameters which might be quite broad?

For all you may be aware of, my mixed bunch of tyres [all the correct size, rating etc and complying with appropriate BS controls] might provide more even, and sorter, so-called 'stopping distances' than yours?

And to frighten you even more, most lorries out there are actually running on what can be described as 'mis-matched' tyres.....mis-matched for all sorts of reasons.....and they only crash rarely enough to be notable.

What I do know is, I removed the Michelins my car came with, quite early on...I found them to be less than acceptable in performance, even for my humble and mistaken driving abilities......I've seen better rubber stuck in the end of a pencil!