Tyre Damage - is it safe to drive

mikey72

alastairq wrote: »

......I've seen better rubber stuck in the end of a pencil!

I find it I make a deliberate, conscious effort whenever I write, I never need to rub anything out, so can't comment on pencil rubbers.

alastairq

</p> That's the problem, I know, once in a while, I'll slip, it won't be 100% deliberate, or conscious. Anyone that claims they do, every minute, or every hour, day in day out, they worry me.

tyres wont help you then.....?

The more one pushes the safety envelope, the more one must make that conscious effort.

Part of making a 'deliberate, conscious effort' with driving is to know when to increase the levels of effort, and when to relax more.

Which may be as simple as, knowing when, and how, to adjust one's speed to suit the 'varying road & traffic conditions'.


As one of my colleagues observed the other day....nobody 'suddenly' runs out in front.

they always have to come from somewhere.

If a driver firstly cannot recognise a potential 'somewhere'....or is prepared to assume when in fact their view is temporarily blocked....then they will experience 'someone suddenly running out in front.'

Making a 'deliberate, conscious effort' [for want of a better way of describing it]....isn't a hardship.

It is very much a state-of-mind.....an 'attitude'.

About being 'aware'..more so than others, maybe?

But not to achieve it unconsciously.


When I first started what I do for a living now, one of my instructors convinced me that there are four stages of learning when driving.

[1] the driver is 'unconsciously incompetent'.......the very first few days of training.....all a bit of a whirl, they really don't know, or understand, what it is they are doing.
[2] A driver then becomes 'consciously incompetent'....they are now fully aware they are making mistakes, but they keep on doing so all the same..they are now learning hard.
[3] 'Consciously competent'...they are now competent as drivers, will pass any test, and are fully aware of any move they make, what they do, and how to cope.
[4] 'Unconsciously competent'.......where most drivers are' having been driving for a few years or more......competent for the most part [as you describe, in fact]....yet liable to make mistakes which may not prove harmful or inconvenient.
At this stage a very high percentage might not in fact, still pass an appropriate driving test.....if for no other reason than an accumulation of driving faults? [For example, maximum of 7 faults over a 1 1/2 hour test route?]



I suspect our Constabulary posters on here have to drag themselves back to #[3] prior to their annual [or sooner?} driving assessments?

alastairq

mikey72 wrote: »

I find it I make a deliberate, conscious effort whenever I write, I never need to rub anything out, so can't comment on pencil rubbers.

you've never chewed one?

mikey72

alastairq wrote: »

.............[3] 'Consciously competent'...they are now competent as drivers, will pass any test, and are fully aware of any move they make, what they do, and how to cope.

Which never explains the accidents they still have, but is very worrying if they achieve a complete belief they are infallible, which does explain the accidents.

alastairq

Which never explains the accidents they still have, but is very worrying if they achieve a complete belief they are infallible, which does explain the accidents.

which is because, they are no longer 'consciously competent', but have rapidly moved onto stage [4]...

It is quite hard to drag oneself back to stage [3]....which is why certain driving jobs [or jobs involving driving] have continual assessments....to lessen the risk of falling onto stage [4]?

'familiarity breeds contempt' may be an appropriate way of describing what happens once the test is passed...

'Skill-fade' is another symptom of stage [4]...

In other words, mistakes are made, but the driver learns nothing from those mistakes....firmly believing that, if they can lay the blame for the problem occurring, squarely at the door of another, what have they to learn from the incident?

An 'advanced' driver learns that, [in a situation such as above] they have to try and identify what was their own contribution to the situation happening in the first place.

Why, for example, they struggled to cope with events as they occurred?

What pieces of information prior to the event, did they ignore..or worse, misinterpret?

And, of course, what they need to do to avoid that situation arising again? [which is where most will come unstuck without 'professional' help?]

Even though those events were triggered by the incorrect actions of another?

mikey72

Good buzzwords, but anyone that professes to always be a stage 3 in their head, must be a stage 4 in reality.

Weird_Nev

AlastairQ's sense of self importance mark him out as a very special type of driver, as does his assertion that he could stop quicker than any of us on his 4 mismatched tyres because of his immense powers of observation.

A very worrying individual, and one I hope never to come across, or get stuck behind, on the open road!

mikey72

Weird_Nev wrote: »

AlastairQ's sense of self importance mark him out as a very special type of driver, as does his assertion that he could stop quicker than any of us on his 4 mismatched tyres because of his immense powers of observation.

A very worrying individual, and one I hope never to come across, or get stuck behind, on the open road!

tbh, behind him is the only place I would ever want to be.

Lum

In my mind, the most worrying type of driver is the kind that thinks they're perfect. These sort are even more worrying than the so-called average driver who doesn't really care for driving much.

In the middle we have most of the population of this forum, those who actually care enough about their driving that they bother to come here, or to other car and driving forums, talk about it and exchange ideas. Even those people who I strongly disagree with on a number of points (hello, Mikey72!) are still people I'd rather encounter on the roads than either of the above groups.

On the tyre front, I'm well aware that I'm not perfect and make mistakes, even if I had all the certificates in the world stuck up on my bedroom wall to reassure me about what a great driver I am there still exists the possibility that I could slip up and make a mistake one day.

And this is a major part of the reason why I care about tyres, for when that mistake happens I want as much contingency in reserve as is reasonably achievable.

mikey72

Lum wrote: »

In my mind, the most worrying type of driver is the kind that thinks they're perfect. These sort are even more worrying than the so-called average driver who doesn't really care for driving much.

In the middle we have most of the population of this forum, those who actually care enough about their driving that they bother to come here, or to other car and driving forums, talk about it and exchange ideas. Even those people who I strongly disagree with on a number of points (hello, Mikey72!) are still people I'd rather encounter on the roads than either of the above groups.

On the tyre front, I'm well aware that I'm not perfect and make mistakes, even if I had all the certificates in the world stuck up on my bedroom wall to reassure me about what a great driver I am there still exists the possibility that I could slip up and make a mistake one day.

And this is a major part of the reason why I care about tyres, for when that mistake happens I want as much contingency in reserve as is reasonably achievable.

True, at least I know I'm crap at times.