To buy a City Rover, or not???

Sgt_Pepper_2

pgilc1 wrote: »

Why'd you remove your original post?

Getting embarrased?

I haven't removed any posts.

verityboo

pgilc1 wrote: »

Because no matter what i put, you'll have an issue with it.

If i say 'i sold it as spares or repair' then you'll reply 'oh you're a crook, evading your SOGA responsibilities'

If i say 'sold as seen', then you'll reply 'oh you're a crook, evading your SOGA responsibilities'

If i say 'sold with no warranty implied or given', then you'll reply 'oh you're a crook, evading your SOGA responsibilities'

If i say 'no mention of warranty on the invoice', then you'll reply 'oh you're a crook, evading your SOGA responsibilities'

If i say 'sold with a three month warranty', then you'll reply 'oh you have to cover it for six according to SOGA - you're a crook, evading your SOGA responsibilities'

I don't want to start an argument but regarding the above, the trouble is, as the uk gov site says

"If the car you buy has a disclaimer

Some car traders try to use disclaimers such as 'sold as seen', 'trade sale only' or 'no refund' to restrict your rights. This is against the law and you can report any trader that does this to the Citizens Advice consumer service."

Joe_Horner

verityboo wrote: »

I don't want to start an argument but regarding the above, the trouble is, as the uk gov site says

"If the car you buy has a disclaimer

Some car traders try to use disclaimers such as 'sold as seen', 'trade sale only' or 'no refund' to restrict your rights. This is against the law and you can report any trader that does this to the Citizens Advice consumer service."

That only applies if you're selling a car as roadworthy.

If it's not roadworthy (no MOT or not capable of passing one at the time of sale) then you MUST let the buyer know and most of the other rules about declaring faults go out the window because it's obviously faulty.

You still can't lie about it though (eg: "just needs a little welding" when it has no engine, brakes or steering would be a no-no )

verityboo

Joe_Horner wrote: »

That only applies if you're selling a car as roadworthy.

Which probably covers at least 99% of car sales as most cars are sold with an MOT with no mention in adverts of any faults

motorguy

verityboo wrote: »

I don't want to start an argument but regarding the above, the trouble is, as the uk gov site says

"If the car you buy has a disclaimer

Some car traders try to use disclaimers such as 'sold as seen', 'trade sale only' or 'no refund' to restrict your rights. This is against the law and you can report any trader that does this to the Citizens Advice consumer service."

Agreed. However as someone else put, the car was unroadworthy to begin with and sold as such.

Mikey72 didnt spot it, but the fact that I said the guy turned up with a low loader would have been a clue had he looked - it was sold on to a trade buyer who buys unroadworthy cars and either scraps them or repairs them and sells them on. He said it was for his daughter and i've no reason not to believe him but if he gets it MOT'd and resells it then fair play to him.

Had it been sold on to a private buyer, i'd have outlined on the invoice the current status of the car - no MOT, any known faults, etc and sold it as 'spares or repair', which is the reality of the situation.

From memory it would actually be illegal for a trader to sell a car on with no MOT with any other status anyway.

motorguy

verityboo wrote: »

Which probably covers at least 99% of car sales as most cars are sold with an MOT with no mention in adverts of any faults

Cars that have known faults, do as you say, have to have those faults listed.

I would rarely sell a car with known faults - i'd rather have them fixed first - but on the rare occassion i do OR a customer picks up something when viewing that i hadnt spotted, i'll list them on the invoice.

mikey72

pgilc1 wrote: »

Agreed. However as someone else put, the car was unroadworthy to begin with and sold as such.

Mikey72 didnt spot it, but the fact that I said the guy turned up with a low loader would have been a clue had he looked - it was sold on to a trade buyer who buys unroadworthy cars and either scraps them or repairs them and sells them on. He said it was for his daughter and i've no reason not to believe him.

Had it been sold on to a private buyer, i'd have outlined on the invoice the current status of the car - no MOT, any known faults, etc and sold it as 'spares or repair', which is the reality of the situation.

From memory it would actually be illegal for a trader to sell a car on with no MOT with any other status anyway.

Either that, or a clue he picked it up by himself, it's hard to drive two at once.

thistledome

pgilc1 wrote: »

So why the !!!! to you and your mate Sgt Pepper insist EVERY !!!!ING time to try to undermine what i'm doing?

Because they are sad and because you keep rising to the bait. Just ignore their posts and they'll get bored and go and play with someone else. Anyone can see that you are trying to make a good go of your business, best of luck with it.

motorguy

thistledome wrote: »

Because they are sad and because you keep rising to the bait. Just ignore their posts and they'll get bored and go and play with someone else. Anyone can see that you are trying to make a good go of your business, best of luck with it.

Thanks for the support, much appreciated.

:beer:

mikey72

thistledome wrote: »

Because they are sad and because you keep rising to the bait. Just ignore their posts and they'll get bored and go and play with someone else. Anyone can see that you are trying to make a good go of your business, best of luck with it.

He's been selling cars off his drive for a year. He can't make the SOGA go away by putting his fingers in his ears and singing to himself. He doesn't like it, but it's here to stay. I don't really care about his business either way, if he's good, he'll be ok, if not he won't be ok. But he's obviously still learning about selling cars to the public.