Cyclists not using hand signals

custardy

http://cyclelondoncity.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/if-addisonlee-wasnt-worrying-you-before.html

custardy

https://twitter.com/#!/theJeremyVine/status/194356801200852992/photo/1

Harry_Flashman

Dave_C wrote: »

These are nothing more than excuses!

That would suggest I feel the need to excuse myself? Wrong!

Harry_Flashman

custardy wrote: »

http://cyclelondoncity.blogspot.co.uk/2012/04/if-addisonlee-wasnt-worrying-you-before.html

Emotional claptrap.

Harry_Flashman

custardy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/#!/theJeremyVine/status/194356801200852992/photo/1

Seems Mr Vine needs to watch where he's going a little more closely

rev_henry

custardy wrote: »

https://twitter.com/#!/theJeremyVine/status/194356801200852992/photo/1

Happened to me just a few minutes ago, AGAIN. Well except the drivers saw me in time. I appreciate people being polite and letting each other out but wish they wouldn't do it, at all, if there's a cycle lane immediately to their left.

alastairq

rev_henry wrote: »

Happened to me just a few minutes ago, AGAIN. Well except the drivers saw me in time. I appreciate people being polite and letting each other out but wish they wouldn't do it, at all, if there's a cycle lane immediately to their left.

Without checking further [sorry].....

but.....if that happened whilst the driver was undergoing a driving test, they would receive a serious fault [fail!]....

Too many drivers have a skewed opinion of what constitutes courtesy on the road.

Whilst they may have good intentions...and 'see no harm' in what they do....they obviously haven't 'risk-assessed' their actions! [to use a modern idiom]


Well, the DSA have....and that is why such actions on a driving test are viewed askance.

[If one intends to exercise what one considers to be courtesy, first ask the question ..'do you control all other road users?'

Are you able to display a lawfully accepted signal which notifies all others as to exactly what you are trying to achieve?]

[I have yet to find a set of lights on the back of a car which light up saying ...'STOP, I'm trying to let this road user out.....' Of course, if one applies [I]assumption[/I] that what one is doing 'is obvious', we would never have accidents or upset others, would we?]

rev_henry

alastairq wrote: »

Without checking further [sorry].....

but.....if that happened whilst the driver was undergoing a driving test, they would receive a serious fault [fail!]....

Too many drivers have a skewed opinion of what constitutes courtesy on the road.

Whilst they may have good intentions...and 'see no harm' in what they do....they obviously haven't 'risk-assessed' their actions! [to use a modern idiom]


Well, the DSA have....and that is why such actions on a driving test are viewed askance.

[If one intends to exercise what one considers to be courtesy, first ask the question ..'do you control all other road users?'

Are you able to display a lawfully accepted signal which notifies all others as to exactly what you are trying to achieve?]

[I have yet to find a set of lights on the back of a car which light up saying ...'STOP, I'm trying to let this road user out.....' Of course, if one applies [I]assumption[/I] that what one is doing 'is obvious', we would never have accidents or upset others, would we?]

Couldn't agree more. I do still flash people out when in my car though, but being a city cyclist as well I know when not to do so!

alastairq

trouble is, with that sort of 'courtesy', the perpetrators become incredibly self-righteous when challenged.


It never ceases to amaze me how folk who have apparently held licences for 30 years, still don't really know what they're doing......but try convincing them of that?

All the world's an expert.....except the experts?

cyclonebri1

alastairq wrote: »

trouble is, with that sort of 'courtesy', the perpetrators become incredibly self-righteous when challenged.


It never ceases to amaze me how folk who have apparently held licences for 30 years, still don't really know what they're doing......but try convincing them of that?

All the world's an expert.....except the experts?

And of course any cyclist who has been on the road does????:T

I'm sorry these arguments don't work, you can't separate riders from drivers with statements like that. As said there are good, bad and indiffe3rent in each camp whether they have been on the road for 30 years or 30 minutes.