Cyclists not using hand signals

custardy

cyclonebri1 wrote: »

ERRRR, I think you said that not me.

I inferred that any cyclist with a modicom of common sense aka self preservation, if the traffic conditions dictated, would pull to the left and take the safe option rather than get splattered. You added the rest, but trying to take a non partial aspect doesn't seem to work with you.
Open your mind before your mouth, I don't you as a bonnet mascot.

but the left isnt always the safest option.
I go up a hill to a mare of a junction
you have to sit right to get over the junction
there are nearly always cars going right
pull left and you are in the squish zone
I open my min because I am a driver and a cyclist
I see both sides. however many drivers think they know whats right for both.

alastairq

Passing a driving test does not stop drivers from stoping in mandatory cycle lanes and advanced stop lines

Neither does the Law or the Highway Code.

For example....where one has a 'stop' line for a traffic light junction, with the commonplace green 'cyclists' area in front..then whilst the first 'stop' line applies to all traffic...if a vehicle is confronted with a single yellow light [ stop....unless, etc]....then that vehicle should use the 'second' line if unable to confortably stop at the first......ie, use the green area.

The offence of 'failing to stop at a red light' only occurs once that second 'stop' line is crossed.

Harry_Flashman

alastairq wrote: »

The offence of 'failing to stop at a red light' only occurs once that second 'stop' line is crossed.

And then only if the red light is actually showing as you cross the line. They can't do you on amber.

savepete

The government played with the idea of liability insurance for bikes, at worked out at below £1, that's why many cycling clubs include the insurance in as part of the membership. |The actual damage cyclists do is so small.

Harry_Flashman

savepete wrote: »

The actual damage cyclists do is so small.

Oh, I dunno. they can cause nasty dents and scrapes (and the cost of picking lycra shreds out of the radiator can be enormous )

A._Badger

JQ. wrote: »

Have you got stats for that, ie how many people were killed by cyclists in 2009, 2010 and 2011?

You don't think cyclists ever die because of their own stupidity?

Dave_C_2

alastairq wrote: »

Neither does the Law or the Highway Code.
For example....where one has a 'stop' line for a traffic light junction, with the commonplace green 'cyclists' area in front..then whilst the first 'stop' line applies to all traffic...if a vehicle is confronted with a single yellow light [ stop....unless, etc]....then that vehicle should use the 'second' line if unable to confortably stop at the first......ie, use the green area.
The offence of 'failing to stop at a red light' only occurs once that second 'stop' line is crossed.

Sorry but you are wrong. To quote the Highway code:

178

Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)]

To repeat the relevant bit:
Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red.

Dave

alastairq

to quote your own quote?

178
Advanced stop lines. Some signal-controlled junctions have advanced stop lines to allow cycles to be positioned ahead of other traffic. Motorists, including motorcyclists, MUST stop at the first white line reached if the lights are amber or red and should avoid blocking the way or encroaching on the marked area at other times, e.g. if the junction ahead is blocked. If your vehicle has proceeded over the first white line at the time that the signal goes red, you MUST stop at the second white line, even if your vehicle is in the marked area. Allow cyclists time and space to move off when the green signal shows.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD regs 10, 36(1) & 43(2)]

I hilite in red precisely the point I was making.

In other words, there are valid circumstances where a vehicle might be stopped within the cycle area, to comply with the HC and Law.

Therefore it is unfair to vilify motorists for doing so.

custardy

alastairq wrote: »

to quote your own quote?



I hilite in red precisely the point I was making.

In other words, there are valid circumstances where a vehicle might be stopped within the cycle area, to comply with the HC and Law.

Therefore it is unfair to vilify motorists for doing so.

there are. however from experience
the mass majority of those in that zone,did so through choice and not circumstance

alastairq

there are. however from experience
the mass majority of those in that zone,did so through choice and not circumstance

I would not argue that point...however, we have sadly got ourselves into a 'chicken-and-egg' situation, vis-a-vis cyclists and motor vehicle drivers.

As an old-time ex bus driver, I have had my fair share of frustrations trying to share the very same road space with cyclists [ie, the near side kerb!].......and having cycled in the past, I recognise the frustrations that cyclists have to endure when confronted with some sheer bloody-minded ignorance.

Being well into the second decade of my 'new' career, I am acutely conscious of the cyclist and their vulnerability....and don't tolerate any glibness of attitude by those in my care....

But someone has to try and break the cycle of aggression and ignorance that surrounds the whole issue....and that approach needs to come primarily from the motor vehicle driver.

Even to the extent of 'tolerating' the apparent antics displayed by cyclists.

Personally, I make a point of giving cyclists [and motorcycles] due space when dealing with them....especially overtaking.

One day, maybe my example will be acknowledged by others.....maybe not.