Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Cardew

reducecosts wrote: »

I would like to start off by saying that I am currently a Utilites Warehouse distributor and of course a customer aswell.

Now I would just like to mention about previous comments about price increases as I am sure people are aware the prices of all providers went up, our prices are extremely competitive and with the Triple Value Guarantee aswell it reasures myself as a customer and also reassures my friends and family that I recommend to the company.

Now you show me another company that can give me the same amount of savings UW provide with the customer discount plan and the cashback card and all on the one bill.

You show me a better company, I doubt you will be able to!

Who said prices have gone up - infact they have been reducing.

Your prices are not extremely competitive - they are without any doubt whatsoever just about the most expensive in UK - £hundreds more expensive than the cheapest i.e roughly 30% more expensive.

The Triple Value Guarantee(TVG) is the biggest joke in the energy industry. To make it work you have to take the most expensive standard gas tariff you can find in UK, then the most expensive standard electricity tariff in UK.

When you have those figures, you have to exclude any discounts those companies offer and disregard the monthly fee UW charge.

Getting dual fuel from BG on their very expensive standard tariff is cheaper than UW.

If you care to post your gas and electricity consumption figures here, we will tell you just how much cheaper you can get your gas and electricity.

I assume you have just joined UW, but if your family and friends follow your recommendation to join UW, you will cost them a lot of money - just so you can earn commission.

Now just post your consumption figures please.

1carminestocky

I see the AUWF are at it again (especially 'expert on everythng in the world' Rupert), diverting away from my challenge, lol. All this talk talk talk bluster bluster bluster but challenge them to beat my deal and nothing at all. Put or shut up, chaps. The bottom line is what I look for on my bills, the amount I have to pay. All the rest is essentially bunkum. No? Yes?

Yet more diversion from Rupert. I see my challenge has been completely ignored AGAIN. Come on, chaps of the AUWF, are you men or mice? Squeak sqeak. Here it is again:

Gas 1620
Leccy 390
Monthly club fee (£2.30)

all for £55 this month. Come on, Rupert, at least have a go.

PS And while we are at it, can we get a definitive answer as to the cashback card you have used in the past and the one you are currently using now? If you've never used one (as I've previously suggested) be a man and admit it, eh? More bluffing on this will tell the readers what I've known all along - you're a 'pontificator' as opposed to a 'doer'.

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

vinnyph,

You really do talk the most misleading rubbish.

You are desperate to discredit comparison website because if you enter the kWh figures of consumption into their website you get accurate results. These show without question that for the vast majority of people UW will appear at the very bottom of that list of tariffs.

You set great store by WHICH magazine. Yet if you go to their own comparison website they, like all the other websites, prove that UW charge hundreds of pounds extra for their gas and electricity - normally around 30% - than the cheapest.

I do not doubt that UWDC do not pay commission directly to these comparison websites - in any case seeing that UW are consistently bottom of the tariffs, nobody in their right minds should switch to UW.

However as has be proven, you can get cashback for switching to UW from these websites. Obviously that commission is provided by an 'Independant' UW distributor.

So the bottom line is that it is undoubtedly true that UW are just about the most expensive provider of gas and electricity in UK - charging £hundreds more - usually around 30% extra.

Diversionary tactics again Cardew and not the first time I might add. Like the online energy switching sites that obtain a commission from the energy suppliers apart from UWDC you fail to mention the many discounts that UWDC provide that are unique to UWDC. You also fail to mention that for dual fuel most of the online energy switching sites also add the UWDC membership fee twice whereas it will be added only once because UWDC provide a single bill for all services something the other companies don't. The discounts from UWDC are far more than the discount club membership fee. You also fail to mention that UWDC will profile the customer with the cheapest tariff individually for gas and electricity whether high, standard or low user whereas the online energy switching sites will list both together.

It has already been proved that the UWDC discounts can add up to many hundreds of pounds per year. For instance Carmine is getting a healthy discount but you choose to ignore that. The hundreds of different tariffs provided by the big 6 companies over the past few years are just discounted against those companies standard rates in any case. It is only fair to show the discounts from UWDC as well. You know that the combined bill from UWDC including the many discounts is in many cases unbeatable yet you choose to completely ignore that for some reason. It has been proved in detail many times over that your statements about UWDC energy prices are incorrect and you do not tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth. As in a court of law, anything that is not the whole truth is considered to be untrue. Your statements are therefore misleading. No matter how many you try to reiterate it, it is easy to find fault with what you say and prove you wrong as I have just done again for the umpteenth time. Do people a favour Cardew, a Money Saving Expert you clearly are not no matter how many times you try to present yourself that way. You have been found out, again.

Why don't you take up the Carmine challenge Cardew, it's because you know you cannot beat it. Try and do it without the tortuous keyboard bravado and diversionary tactics if you can.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1G4Ij4RHH6M&feature=related
Long term Utility Warehouse Discount Club Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good.

jellygoodfellow

vinnyph wrote: »

You make a habit of bringing up small points of no real importance. look back before that 2 weeks then.

I did and you were absent for just five weeks not months as you claimed.

If you cant tell the truth about a basic thing like this and you say the guardian article contains untruths but you cant/will not substantiate your claim, why should we believe all the other tosh you write.

Plushchris

vinnyph wrote: »

Like the online energy switching sites that obtain a commission from the energy suppliers apart from UWDC .

So Energylinx switch people to UW for nothing do they?

Go to Energylinx and you'll find you can switch to UW AND recieve cashback (although you will have to scroll down to the bottom of the list to find them)

I bet Energylinx dont just fund that out of their own pockets do they?

Cardew

vinnyph wrote: »

Why don't you take up the Carmine challenge Cardew, it's because you know you cannot beat it.

The Troll's challenge has been beaten time and time again.

However whenever it is beaten, we are then shunted off to interminal discussions about the value of all the calls he need to make to Basutoland or wherever!

Beat his challenge - easy! He gets his gas and electricity from a cheap supplier to save hundreds of pounds and gets Broadcall from UW and retains his card.

Exactly what Jannienew did after seing the sense of the points made on this thread. She got rid of the hugely expensive UW gas and Electricty and went to EDF. Retained just her phone and card.

The cost of calls these days are tiny. With Skype you can call all over the world, including UK for very little - free when Skype to Skype.

The central point, which you keep trying to avoid, is that UW gas and electricity is the just about the most expensive in UK - £hundreds more expensive than the cheapest or around 30% more expensive.

vinnyph

Cardew wrote: »

The Troll's challenge has been beaten time and time again.

However whenever it is beaten, we are then shunted off to interminal discussions about the value of all the calls he need to make to Basutoland or wherever!

Beat his challenge - easy! He gets his gas and electricity from a cheap supplier to save hundreds of pounds and gets Broadcall from UW and retains his card.

Exactly what Jannienew did after seing the sense of the points made on this thread. She got rid of the hugely expensive UW gas and Electricty and went to EDF. Retained just her phone and card.

The cost of calls these days are tiny. With Skype you can call all over the world, including UK for very little - free when Skype to Skype.

The central point, which you keep trying to avoid, is that UW gas and electricity is the just about the most expensive in UK - £hundreds more expensive than the cheapest or around 30% more expensive.

No, I have been very clear and to the point. Again your diversion is based on the same claim that has already been proved to be incorrect time and time again. Again you use bravado and choose to present yourself as someone who knows but your claims are merely false. Just to remind you again before you get carried away with your own bluff, and bluff it is. Nothing more, nothing less.

No doubt Janninew will come back when her discount with edf ends in a few months. She very much likes UWDC because she knows they are a good company that keeps getting better. It was only because her employer wanted her to use their broadband that she moved.

You resort to name calling of carmine, but that is only because he is a customer of UWDC. Actually you have simply ignored his challenge again, skirted around the issue, in fact, and not for the first time either. You exaggerate saving against UWDC energy rates and at the same time ignore UWDC discounts that are much bigger.

All I can really see is a load of bravado, blustering and bluff from this Anti UW Faction.

'Diversionary tactics again Cardew and not the first time I might add. Like the online energy switching sites that obtain a commission from the energy suppliers apart from UWDC you fail to mention the many discounts that UWDC provide that are unique to UWDC. You also fail to mention that for dual fuel most of the online energy switching sites also add the UWDC membership fee twice whereas it will be added only once because UWDC provide a single bill for all services something the other companies don't. The discounts from UWDC are far more than the discount club membership fee. You also fail to mention that UWDC will profile the customer with the cheapest tariff individually for gas and electricity whether high, standard or low user whereas the online energy switching sites will list both together.'

'The point I was making is that and was very clear on is that your generalised statement that UW have high energy prices is incorrect yet you persist in keep saying it. There are situations where UWDC prices come out cheapest in the country even before taking the many UWDC discounts into consideration. I notice you still fail to include any of the UWDC discounts in your comparisons. I have quoted the details of these many times before and its conclusive yet you still persist in ignoring this and instead misleading people into thinking there are no discounts with UWDC. Also, the average you quote does not mean everyone's usage fits that profile. In fact after seeing hundreds of people over the years it's very different to that average, but I know that from experience not from prediction as in your case. Yet you obviously always think you know better. Economy 7 customers have different electricity and gas usage because they use cheap rate electricity for heating and tend to run their washing machine and dishwasher etc. at night. Economy 7 storage heaters are more efficient than the most expensive condensing combi gas boiler with comparably low maintenance costs as well. UWDC prices are very good for economy 7 rates. Your statement that UWDC are always one of the most expensive is incorrect and misleading.'


'The £100 discount for new customers.
The free calls at no extra cost 24/7
The Customer Discount Plan discount that comes off the total bill. The bigger the bill the more this is worth.
The Cashback Card 5% discount.
The 175 companies people can get large member discounts with.'

Quentin

Energylinx is another switching/comparison website that pay you cashback (£34) if you use them to join uw.

Where do they get the £34 from?

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Why do uw reps insist the comparison sites are bad?

It must be very difficult to know what to say if they are challenged by a prospective new customer who has the timerity to ask why uw is so expensive compared to all the other suppliers shown on the comparison site.

So they are taught to diss the comparison sites as being corrupt (saying this is because uw refuses to pay them for supplying customers - even though this is patently untrue), and that to "punish" the uw they show them in a bad light.

If the uw rep telling you this is your brother/b-i-l/comes recommended by someone you know etc, then it's unthinkable that he will lie to you!

(Especially as he just told you all about the (wortheless) guarantee (which can be made to "sound" like a price guarantee, when it is really just a worthless sales tool, and produced a piece of paper with your post code on it saying you will save £870 if you just sign up to the UW! Not including the monthly membership fee of course!!)

Quentin

vinnyph wrote: »

The £100 discount for new customers

This £100 "discount" is a pointless marketing exercise for gullibles.

In order to get it, your customers must sign up for both your expensive gas and your expensive electricity and have to pay your monthly membership fee as well!

So they have to pay well in excess of £100 more than they would if they went to the cheapest company (using MSE's recommended moneysaving route to finding the cheapest deal).

(Wonder why this money saving website never mentions signing up to uw in the face of all the urging we get to do so from the uw reps who come to this thread?)

vinnyph

jellygoodfellow wrote: »

I did and you were absent for just five weeks not months as you claimed.

If you cant tell the truth about a basic thing like this and you say the guardian article contains untruths but you cant/will not substantiate your claim, why should we believe all the other tosh you write.

Your original claim was that I was on here all the time. You just proved that I am not on here all the time. Did that escape your attention. So all you have just done it seems is you proved me right. Thank you. Do you you really think I should take you seriously. I guess I'll have to wait a few days for you to think that one through.

jellygoodfellow = man of small point