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  • Plushchris
    Plushchris Posts: 3,592 Forumite
    vinnyph wrote: »
    I am sure that if UWDC were to start paying a commission to the energy swapping sites they would then include the UWDC discounts in the comparison. (Before Quentin chirps in here. It was already verified with head office that UWDC do not pay commission to the energy swapping sites, never have done, don't need to, and never will.).


    So Energylinx switch people to UW out of the goodness of their hearts do they?
    Missing Tesco R&R since Feb '07 :A & now a "Tesco veteran" apparently! ;)
  • Cardew
    Cardew Posts: 29,060 Forumite
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    vinnyph wrote: »
    Cardews statement about not taking energy with UW was answered months ago. He just decides to ignore it and avoid it. The reality is that quoted figures on the energy swapping sites do not include any of the many discounts with UWDC. I am sure that if UWDC were to start paying a commission to the energy swapping sites they would then include the UWDC discounts in the comparison. (Before Quentin chirps in here. It was already verified with head office that UWDC do not pay commission to the energy swapping sites, never have done, don't need to, and never will.) They group the energy into either low, standard or high tariffs for gas and electricity, whereas UWDC put people onto the best individually for gas and electricity. The online energy swapping sites also count membership fee twice in a dual fuel situation. Also within months the prices change so the annual quote changes. It also doesn't include the exit fees, many small print terms and conditions or that the discount with that particular company may not pay until end of a set period and has stringent requirements in order to obtain it. It means then that the figures quoted are then not reliable as to what someone actually ends up paying.

    Cardew looks at the energy in isolation and misrepresents the true amount that a UWDC member would actually pay because he chooses to ignore the discounts that UWDC provide. However he always says the same general statement that is clearly not correct that he believe that in all cases UW has just about the highest energy prices. I confronted him months with situations where UW turned out to be the cheapest, for instance a case with Economy 7 where UW turned out to be the cheapest, and thus disproving his argument yet he still comes back with the same incorrect statement even after being proved wrong. Just read back through the thread to see that and other cases where false statements are made.

    Cardew does not like this but I agree with Carmine, can Quentin or Cardew be reliably trusted for what they say when they have been proved wrong a number of times before but still maintain their false statements. Cardew will deny this but I still have failed to see where Carmine has made a false statement. By being a customer Carmine should know more about what he is actually paying than either of them. He will straight away know more about UWDC. I know more than either of them because I have been a customer for many years and also a distributor. Isn't it about time they just realised when they are wrong instead of constant denial.

    Long term Utility Warehouse Discount Club Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good.

    Well talking about falsehoods, let us start with your French and Saunders post this evening.

    Are you prepared to admit that is a lie? an error? or what - it most certainly is not true.

    The Troll has been exposed with deliberate and repeated lies time and again. Read back if you want detail.
  • Quentin
    Quentin Posts: 40,405 Forumite
    vinnyph wrote: »
    It was already verified with head office that UWDC do not pay commission to the energy swapping sites, never have done, don't need to, and never will

    I have already quoted you what it says on the Which? site regarding them getting paid by the companies they switch to. (Which does include UW)

    Here's what they say at ukpower (who also pay cashback to any gullibles who sign up to UW):
    When you switch your gas and/or supplier with us, we handle the switching process for you and are paid through commissions that are paid to us by the supplier

    As previously posted, it is only the uw reps who insist that uw does not pay switching sites (there is no mention of this claim on the uw website).

    It seems this is a line that uw H.O. feeds to their reps (as it must be embarassing for them to admit to them they "undercut" their own reps when customers sign up via the switching sites)
  • vinnyph
    vinnyph Posts: 583 Forumite
    O.K. I'll correct myself exactly else this will be used as a diversionary tactic by yourself. The topic at the time was that UWDC didn't advertise. The point was brought up by a number of people for a while including yourself. Each time I and a number of other distributors reminded you all that UWDC has never paid for advertising on a national basis nor have they paid any online energy swapping company any commission. There were all sorts of arguments put forward by Quentin that UW pay for Advertising and you were in agreement with him. Even though we as Distributors knew that UWDC didn't pay for advertising the argument kept being brought up that they did. Eventually after extended proof and even me ringing office and wasting their time it was found that they didn't pay for advertising and never have done. The main point being that we as Distributors are going to know a lot more about the company than either you or Quentin. However, no matter how many times you are put right you still keep coming back with false statements. Carmine is quite accurate when he says that you see yourself as an expert on everything but sadly lacking credibility. An expert on Money saving your or Quentin clearly are not. Full of bluff your prove yourself to be.

    You should just back down when you are wrong as should Quentin.
    Quentin's Cashback Card?
    Let no man, advert or internet site tell me where to get my Utilities
  • vinnyph
    vinnyph Posts: 583 Forumite
    Talking of falsehoods,you have not been away for months, less then two weeks in fact.

    You make a habit of bringing up small points of no real importance. look back before that 2 weeks then.
    Quentin's Cashback Card?
    Let no man, advert or internet site tell me where to get my Utilities
  • Cardew
    Cardew Posts: 29,060 Forumite
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    UW don't pay for Advertising?

    Did French and Saunders make that film extolling the virtues of UW for nothing?

    Cashback for joining UW is via a distributer.

    Sure UW select one of their 3 tariffs(high, med, or low) for gas and electricity - all 3 are at the bottom of the pile.

    What discounts for gas and electricity? (not the one off recently introduced one for new customers)

    UW are without doubt the most expensive supplier for gas and electricity - no amount of your blustering can avoid that.
  • vinnyph
    vinnyph Posts: 583 Forumite
    Quentin wrote: »
    I have already quoted you what it says on the Which? site regarding them getting paid by the companies they switch to. (Which does include UW)

    Here's what they say at ukpower (who also pay cashback to any gullibles who sign up to UW):



    As previously posted, it is only the uw reps who insist that uw does not pay switching sites (there is no mention of this claim on the uw website).

    It seems this is a line that uw H.O. feeds to their reps (as it must be embarassing for them to admit to them they "undercut" their own reps when customers sign up via the switching sites)

    No matter how much you try to infer things quentin it just goes to show how inflationary your arguments are. Just proves my point that even when you are put right by people who know what they are talking about you still continue to maintain your false statement. Surely anyone realises that statement from the Which is talking in general about the industry as a whole. It's only you who would read it otherwise.

    This is a quote from their website, just click about.

    'About the Utility Warehouse Discount Club
    You may not have heard of the Utility Warehouse before. We don't spend our customers' money on expensive advertising campaigns. Instead, we rely on the best form of promotion there is - personal recommendation from satisfied customers.'

    I have never seen an advert for UW anywhere and the energy switching sites is a form of national advertising. What more proof do you need. A sworn statement from the Honorary Charles Wigoder himself. I really think everyone else realises that UWDC do not pay for national advertising. You should also. As advised before, realise when you are wrong.

    I advise you to stop making false statements about UWDC yet you prove yourself to not be able to stop yourself. Can anything you say be taken with credibility when everything you seem to be saying proves false.
    Quentin's Cashback Card?
    Let no man, advert or internet site tell me where to get my Utilities
  • vinnyph
    vinnyph Posts: 583 Forumite
    edited 10 December 2009 at 1:44AM
    Cardew wrote: »
    UW don't pay for Advertising?

    Did French and Saunders make that film extolling the virtues of UW for nothing?

    Advertising on a national basis is paying for something to be broadcast to the whole country through in-direct marketing methods, for instance, newspaper, tv, radio, magazine. Someone recommending to a friend is not national advertising. The french and saunders video for use on their own website is not advertising and the cost is negligible compared to the cost the other companies incur for national advertising campaigns.
    Cardew wrote: »
    Cashback for joining UW is via a distributer.

    Still working out exactly what you mean.

    Cardew wrote: »
    Sure UW select one of their 3 tariffs(high, med, or low) for gas and electricity - all 3 are at the bottom of the pile.

    What about the case of economy 7 usage of 2000kwhs gas 1000kwhs daytime electricity and 9000kwhs economy 7 rate. That disproves your statement the UWDC are always one of the highest.
    Cardew wrote: »
    What discounts for gas and electricity? (not the one off recently introduced one for new customers)
    • The £100 discount for new customers.
    • The free calls at no extra cost 24/7
    • The Customer Discount Plan discount that comes off the total bill. The bigger the bill the more this is worth.
    • The Cashback Card 5% discount.
    • The 175 companies people can get large member discounts with.

    The point is you chose to ignore these completely but included any discount other companies provide.
    Cardew wrote: »
    UW are without doubt the most expensive supplier for gas and electricity - no amount of your blustering can avoid that.

    You have been proved wrong on this many times before. You make an incorrect generalisation.
    Quentin's Cashback Card?
    Let no man, advert or internet site tell me where to get my Utilities
  • Coopdivi
    Coopdivi Posts: 3,412 Forumite
    What I can't understand is that if Utility Warehouse don't advertise why are their gas and electricity prices so ridiculously high?
  • NigeWick
    NigeWick Posts: 2,726 Forumite
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    Cardew wrote: »
    However that seems to be the only error(assuming it is one) you can pin on him and all the substantial points he makes are ignored.
    Nope, I've caught him in error a few more times over the last couple of years.

    There is only one real point to make. Utility Warehouse works out the best deal for me in what I want. Therefore it can prove to be vest value for many other people too.

    I am a Utility Warehouse independent distributor and the views I express may not be shared by the company.
    The mind of the bigot is like the pupil of the eye; the more light you pour upon it, the more it will contract.
    Oliver Wendell Holmes
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