Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

jellygoodfellow

vinnyph wrote: »

I've already wasted my time answering your accusation many times over. Do you chose to just ignore that. All the arguments against UWDC just end up being disproved, yet the same people just keep coming back with the same arguments. The Guardian got its story from here. Simply for me that's enough proof that it contains untruths. I really can't be bothered to go through all of them because I cannot be bothered to waste my time yet again. Every false accusation has already been answered at length before.

The only thing you prove is simply that you know nothing of what you talk about.

While you roll on the floor laughing watch you don't roll in your own *******.

It appears to me and possibly to other members you cant answer my request because their are not many untruths as you claimed.

For the record vinnyph is a representative of UW ,who would do well to observe the site rules.

"Pls be nice to all MoneySavers. There's no such thing as a stupid question, and even if you disagree courtesy helps."

Cardew

vinnyph wrote: »

Carmine has not been proved wrong.
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Carmine not proved wrong?

He has been proved wrong time and time again.

He deliberately lies - not makes a mistake - deliberately and and with forethought lies. Unless that lie is challenged, he then repeats and repeats that lie. When it is proven to be wrong, he changes tack and starts all over again.

Actually he is ideally suited to be the UW spokesman that you so admire!!

kippen_noedel

janninew wrote: »

I am grateful for the advice given on here and think that I am getting a great deal having my utilities with EDF and my phone line with UW, who happen to have paid me just over 35.00 into my account this month due to my spend on the cashback card (I received my phone line rental for nothing!) Can anybody actual beat that?

Seems to me that you have the best option, if I had a BT line I might even consider going that route myself, though possibly not with EDF based on my energy usage.

Under no circumstances other than actually being a UW salesman would I have my energy from UW.

Cardew

janninew wrote: »

Cardew,

You doubt such a card exists? So do you believe Quentin made it up?

I am grateful for the advice given on here and think that I am getting a great deal having my utilities with EDF and my phone line with UW,

janninew,

I am not Quentin's keeper!

If Quentin advised you not to use such a card, it is not advice I would agree!

As far as I remember he was concerned about the security of funds, but he may well have stated there were better cards, and if so I am unaware of such a card.

My goodness - he could actually have been wrong/mistaken/misinterpreted/lied about the card!

My point is that, whilst he clearly dislikes UW, his posts on this thread have been largely accurate and relevant. Time and time again he has picked up UW IDs on facts where UW reps have been wrong/mistaken/misinterpreted/lied .

It shows the desperation of UW reps that their total concentration has been on a contentious post he apparently made about a card. They have ignored all the important issues of UW prices and disgraceful sales techniques.

In fact you yourself are a perfect example to illustrate what I and others have been attempting to get across to current and prospective UW customers.

You came on this thread, if I may say, defending all things UW. However you have been astute enough to listen to facts and realise that it is crazy to pay £hundreds more for gas and electricity, when you can get the benefits of the UW card by paying for just the telephone and getting your gas and electricity from EDF.

Despite your solution being raised scores of times, not one of the UW salespersons(or the Troll) have ever commented on this issue. They know full well that it would save their current customers and prospective customers a great deal of money, but their priority is to sell services for commission.
I wonder just how many would advise even the family members they have recruited, how they could save lots of money.!!

Also bear in mind that long before the introduction of the cashcard, these same UW IDs were recruiting friends and family onto the hugely expensive UW tariffs! They doubtless sleep well!

vinnyph

JGF. Just a reminder again that you have already been answered a number of times and also for the record that the many many false statements put forward by the UWDC Detractors have already been put right over the course of the 450 pages in this thread. I like many have become bored of the tactics used to try to undermine UWDC. I haven't bothered to read this thread for months simply because it has proved to be a complete waste of time since so many put up unfounded accusations and false statements. So I simply direct their false accusations from where it comes. Yet I get accused even of being on here all the time. Useful observation, not. In any case I wouldn't have to keep reminding people of how suspect The Anti UW Faction that Cardew himself coined is unless they keep making the same false statements.

For the record Cardew, in the past you banged on about French and Saunders advertising UWDC on telly every night when you were put right and told that UWDC do not advertise. You wouldn't listen to anyone until you finally realised you were wrong. There was no apology even though Carmine asked for one from you.

Quentin has been proved wrong about his UWDC beating Cashback card even though he went on for days stating there was one.

Quentin has been proved wrong about his claim that UWDC pay a commission to the energy switch sites.

Quentin has been proved wrong that UWDC use mind control methods to get customers.

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These are just a few to think of, off the top of my head. I could think of more but it's enough to prove how false your statements are. Yet you still come back time and time again with the same false statements and expect to be taken seriously.

Is anyone going to challenge me on this or is there a Money Saving Expert rule that says that even people bearing false witness should be taken seriously.

Now I have not told lies or made inflammatory or untrue statements. It's not me at fault here. My conscience is clear. The difference is I know what I am talking about, I have been a customer and distributor for UW for a long time.

As a reminder Quentin, Cardew and the other keyboard vigilantes, you lost the argument a long time ago but still try desperately to maintain your false statements. Your so cheeky you should marry the cheeky girls.

Even though you have been reminded a number of times before, UWDC is growing very fast regardless of your attempts to undermine them. It's growing because the service is good and people like the unique discounts and benefits of being a customer that in many cases mean people can save a lot more than elsewhere. No matter how much you try to divert people people away it isn't making any difference. In fact there are people who have looked at this site and decided to become customers of UWDC simply because they soon realise how concocted the arguments against UWDC put forth here really are.

Obviously I won't be liked by The ANTI UW FACTION for bringing forth arguments against their false claims but that does not matter to me.

I think this thread has long died a death and a solution is to either ban certain posters because the large number of false statements made or just stop it completely.

Long term Utility Warehouse Discount Club Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good.

vinnyph

The UWDC continues to improve itself as a company. People involved try every step to make sure it right for the customer and to improve the company. The service provided is already unquestionably just about the best in the industry across a number of sectors. The company is really going places and it deserves to. It keeps winning awards in many reputable publications.

Now I come back after months and find the same few banging on about the same unwarranted false statements. I also have seen no improvement in them. Well I guess there is always a drunk at the end of the bar that never sees any good in anything. They will never see any good in anything. They will never achieve anything. Sad, but true.

Cardew

vinnyph wrote: »

For the record Cardew, in the past you banged on about French and Saunders advertising UWDC on telly every night when you were put right and told that UWDC do not advertise. You wouldn't listen to anyone until you finally realised you were wrong. There was no apology even though Carmine asked for one from you.

OK as you want things 'for the record'.

I posted this on 24/03/09 at 2.01 pm.

So what are French and Saunders doing on TV most nights?

You can watch their video here.

http://www.utilitywarehouseherts.co.uk/

After your correction I posted this on 24/03/09 at 3.47pm i.e 1 hour 46 mins later

Sorry I thought I had seen French and Saunders on TV; so got that wrong apparently.

1. I 'banged on'? a single mention!

2. I wouldn't listen to anyone? When you told me it was the internet not TV(wow - what an error) I immediately retracted my statement. 1 hour and 46 minutes later!

3. No apology? - isn't that what 'sorry' means!!

4. Carmine did what?

This is absolutely typical of your Modus operandi. Such is your desperation, the Troll and yourself have brought this up countless times, the latest being the incorrect post above – care to retract that comment?

jellygoodfellow

vinnyph wrote: »

Now I come back after months

Talking of falsehoods,you have not been away for months, less then two weeks in fact.

vinnyph

Cardews statement about not taking energy with UW was answered months ago. He just decides to ignore it and avoid it. The reality is that quoted figures on the energy swapping sites do not include any of the many discounts with UWDC. I am sure that if UWDC were to start paying a commission to the energy swapping sites they would then include the UWDC discounts in the comparison. (Before Quentin chirps in here. It was already verified with head office that UWDC do not pay commission to the energy swapping sites, never have done, don't need to, and never will.) They group the energy into either low, standard or high tariffs for gas and electricity, whereas UWDC put people onto the best individually for gas and electricity. The online energy swapping sites also count membership fee twice in a dual fuel situation. Also within months the prices change so the annual quote changes. It also doesn't include the exit fees, many small print terms and conditions or that the discount with that particular company may not pay until end of a set period and has stringent requirements in order to obtain it. It means then that the figures quoted are then not reliable as to what someone actually ends up paying.

Cardew looks at the energy in isolation and misrepresents the true amount that a UWDC member would actually pay because he chooses to ignore the discounts that UWDC provide. However he always says the same general statement that is clearly not correct that he believe that in all cases UW has just about the highest energy prices. I confronted him months with situations where UW turned out to be the cheapest, for instance a case with Economy 7 where UW turned out to be the cheapest, and thus disproving his argument yet he still comes back with the same incorrect statement even after being proved wrong. Just read back through the thread to see that and other cases where false statements are made.

Cardew does not like this but I agree with Carmine, can Quentin or Cardew be reliably trusted for what they say when they have been proved wrong a number of times before but still maintain their false statements. Cardew will deny this but I still have failed to see where Carmine has made a false statement. By being a customer Carmine should know more about what he is actually paying than either of them. He will straight away know more about UWDC. I know more than either of them because I have been a customer for many years and also a distributor. Isn't it about time they just realised when they are wrong instead of constant denial.

Long term Utility Warehouse Discount Club Customer who became a Distributor because it proved to be good.

kippen_noedel

I've just carried out a comparison on uSwitch for my own usage, swapping to UW Dual Fuel High User Option would cost me an extra £1908.09 more than the current cheapest tariff available.