Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

espresso

penrhyn wrote: »

Seems folks are posting speeds here are mine.

Actually penrhyn the request here was for UW broadband customers to post a link to their actual speed test results.

The Internet Access board here is for other broadband customers due to the forum rules regarding UW/Telecom Plus posting.

Mike_by_the_Sea

penrhyn wrote: »

Hello Mike, fab results! Have you tried connecting your router to your Master test socket?


It could well be that you have internal wiring problems, and connecting via the test socket will eliminate this.
It would also be worth logging in to your router and posting your router statistics, although this would probably do better in the techie forum.

Hi Penrhyn

I have tried the master socket and I get very similar results. I am hoping it is just a "local" problem and will get better once the hols are over.

Nice results by the way.

Mike

1carminestocky

Nostromo wrote: »

Thanks Mike that is what I thought I think I might start knocking on neighbours doors to see if anyone is with talk talk and find out what their speeds are like LOL.
My dilemma of course is if speeds are not up to scratch it would cost upto £170 to leave as most other ISPs insist on a BT Landline.

My neighbour (30 yards away) is with talktalk and gets better speeds than me (consistently 5.5 - 6mb) on his up to 8mb package than me with my up to 16mb Sky Max package. Though, granted, my extension wiring is an absolute disaster at the moment...:o

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Nostromo

Has anyone tried this Return to Donor option with BT ?
Looks like you can escape without having to pay BT for a new connection.

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=1360481

jimexbox

keggs wrote: »

You might not think UW is good value but I repeat 280,000 do not agree with you. That's an indisputable fact.

How many of UW 280,000 customers are not a friend, relative or acquaintance of the UW salesman who signed them up? It would seem the whole concept of UW is to have as many salesman as possible, who then sign up a few friends. Some of these folk are persuaded to become a salesman, repeat ad nauseam. Obviously the 'trickle down' residual payment structure is a great incentive to 'turn' as many customers into salesman as possible.

Seriously, do the UW salesman on here think that this growth pattern is sustainable in the long term?

Cardew

1carminestocky wrote: »

I'm not at all surprised Cardew isn't keen on UW, just by looking at who he chooses to use for his utilities will tell you he's the archetypical 'GBP' customer. It's like de-regulation never happened for him and his household. Again, that's his choice and that's fine, but why try and impose you views on others? What's the point of de-regualtion if everybody just basically stayed where they were?

I sometimes wonder if you don’t appreciate the irony in your posts.

Since joining this forum you have been the arch critic of most Utility companies; in particular BG and BT. You rarely miss an opportunity to slate either company.

Yet you have the effrontery to state “but why try and impose your views on others?”

Even more ridiculous is your attempt to criticise my choice of Utility company.

My fixed tariff with BG is by far and away the cheapest tariff on the market. I pay over £800 pa less for gas and electricity than I would pay with UW.

For every gas and electricity consumer in UK, BG and all of the other ‘Big 6’, have cheaper gas and electricity than UW – with BG’s websaver3 tariff being close to the cheapest for most people.

My telecoms package with BT is also far better for myself(and most people IMO), and cheaper, than the UW package.

You only took up the UW cause initially because those contributors to MSE that you considered to be ‘opponents’ had been critical of the company and you saw it as fertile ground for cyber arguments.

Whilst continuing to be uber critical of all other companies, your posts on UW have contained nothing but praise for the company and attacks on any opponent.

It is not difficult to imagine the outrage – or ridicule- you would have displayed if those videos of selling techniques had been for BG or another company.

Double standards? Surely not!!!

Watch the videos carefully, invest £200 and go sell UW products Carmine – you have all the ‘qualities’ to be an excellent salesman.

keggs

jimexbox wrote: »

How many of UW 280,000 customers are not a friend, relative or acquaintance of the UW salesman who signed them up? It would seem the whole concept of UW is to have as many salesman as possible, who then sign up a few friends. Some of these folk are persuaded to become a salesman, repeat ad nauseam. Obviously the 'trickle down' residual payment structure is a great incentive to 'turn' as many customers into salesman as possible.

Seriously, do the UW salesman on here think that this growth pattern is sustainable in the long term?

Dear Jimexbox

Like Cardew you have a clear lack of any understanding of how either network marketing or UW works. I would suggest you buy or borrow a couple of good books and educate yourself.

What's this 'trickle down' of residual payment? Distributors for UW get paid in 2 or 3 ways

1. They receive an up front payment for gathering a customer. This effectively reinforces any costs the AD has incuured. (BTW I rarely speak with friends and family either about being a customer or a distributor.)
2. They receive a a small percentage of their customers bills - residual income
3. They receive a small override of the customers bills of any team members - residual income.

Network marketing has been around for around 60 years at least. UW has been around for 11 years.

Practically everyone in Britain has a TV set. Yet TV sets are still sold everyday. Everybody has a bed. Yet beds are still sold everyday.

With all due respect to you Jimebox, your argument that the network marketing model is unsustainable shows that you really don't know anything about the concept. Educate yourself if you really want to know before making the same comment you made before.

The concept of 'saturation' doesn't exisit in any business for all sorts of reasons and is yet another silly red herring when applying to network marketing. But look who keep telling us the same thing - the same people who know little about it except the misinformation they have have either heard or been fed.

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

keggs

Incidentally, Jimexbox.

Do you know what is the oldest networking idea in the world called?

Christianity.

You would think that in 2000 years the whole world would be Christian. Yet it isn't. If Christianity isn't saturtaed after 2000 years what makes you think UW will be saturated after a few short decades (which is what you implying)?

It won't for many, many reasons - not least because people in this country will continue to do one of 4 things - get born, get married, buy (or rent) a house and die.

I'm sorry if my comments to you seem a little harsh but I am about sick and tired of the same old arguments being spouted to try and justify someone's lack of knowledge and understanding. Please don't take offence at this. Like Cardew I urge you to find out more before jumping to the same conclusions that others very often jump to when they develop preconceptions based on misinformation - learned or just picked up.

Best wishes
Steve

Cardew

Keggs,
You really don't read - or at least understand! - posts!

We all understand how network marketing works.

UW have 26,000 distributors and some 280,000 customers. Nobody knows how many of those recruited are friends and family of a distributor. However all the evidence indicates they make up a high proportion - and there are only approx 10 customers to each distributor.

jimexbox stated that the growth pattern is unsustainable. Although you don't like the term, in this respect UW operates like a pyramid scheme. i.e. Distributor A recruits Distributor B, B recruits C etc etc.

All this selling gas and electricty that is uncompetitive in price. What percentage of the 280,000 customers do you think appreciate that fact.

Quentin

keggs wrote: »

Distributors for UW get paid in 2 or 3 ways

No mention of the pay for recruiting.

Why do you never admit that the similarity between MLM and the illegal pyramid selling is the building of a pyramid of distributors beneath you. Recruiting more staff has little or nothing to do with selling expensive utilities (other than both activities ideally seem to require gullibles ti be selected as the prospects)

According to the videos, that's where the big money is, isn't it?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR_bd_b16PM