Utility Warehouse (Telecom Plus) Discussion

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

John is asked to think of 3 people who he could sign up as distributors. Then told if he can do this he will get £1000, plus more. (At the thought of more, John is now drooling). John is to be paid an ongoing commission via his 3 friends (who by the end of the presentation have each recruited 3 more friends, all earning money for John at the top of the pyramid).

Are you intentionally misleading people here or do you genuinely believe this nonsense?

Firstly, there is no payment made for recruiting 3 (or any other number) new distributors. There are bonuses available if those recruits achieve some measure of sales success. The idea here is to encourage distributors to train & support their new recruits and get them off to a good start.

Of course, you know this already. I seem to remember correcting your errors on this point once or twice already.

secondly, when exactly does the guy in that video drool? Not really a big deal but considering you seem to take extreme exception to big Al's ideas for 'manipulating minds' you do seem to have a similar aim in many of your posts. Using exaggeration, distraction & midirection, selective quoting... If UW were anywhere near as bad as you make out you wouldn't have to resort to tactics like these.


P.S. still waiting for an apology for that clearly false accusation you made.


UW Distributor

jimexbox

Started what? I merely offered my opinion on UW business model. You disagree, fine. Then call my post a 'ridiculous response from an unknowledgeable individual', without ever offering a reason why. If you wish to make such statements against a forum member, at least give me the detailed reasoning of why you come to such a conclusion.

keggs

So am I

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

jimexbox

keggs wrote: »

So am I

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

Mm. Im not posting an opinion on your post am I? If I did I would take a quote which I disagreed with, then write a reasoned argument why you were wrong.

Decado23

jimexbox wrote: »

Exactly, and UW salesmen are encouraged to recruit others, not because of any altruistic reason to bring joy, or Christianity. The do so because they cream a little back off the sales of other UW salesman they sign up.

Personally I find this somewhat offensive. You have no way of knowing what motivates me or the thousands of other distributors out there. There are many reasons people may choose to start with UW (or any other business). Income is only one of them.

The growth of UW is dependent on recruiting more salesman, not customers. Without new salesman who 'help' their friends see the light there are no new customers, or very few.

I'd have to disagree with this. Without any new distributors, existing active distributors would still be out there talking to people and gaining new customers.

Most companies grow their business first, then take on staff when necessary, with UW its the other way round.

Hmm... think about that for a while. really think about it. If tesco (or any other store) want to open a new shop, what comes first - customers or building + staff?

Not to mention that as Independent distributors we are not staff, we do not receive a wage, only commission on sales. If we sell, we get paid a little bit. If someone in our team sells we get paid a little bit. If nobody sells, nobody gets paid. Think about how that compares with traditional businesses - pay £££ for marketing and hope the returns are worth it, pay £££ for a new shop and hope the customers come in and spend. Take on staff and hope they earn their pay...

If you think that's sustainable, good.

Well, I don't see why not



UW distributor

keggs

jimexbox wrote: »

Started what? I merely offered my opinion on UW business model. You disagree, fine. Then call my post a 'ridiculous response from an unknowledgeable individual', without ever offering a reason why. If you wish to make such statements against a forum member, at least give me the detailed reasoning of why you come to such a conclusion.

I'm sorry Jimexbox. Instead of trying to divert away from it. You stated that you believed UW's business model was unsustainable. You mentioned something about trickle dow residual income whatever that means. I have asked you to back up your statements with facts to support it.

I don't have to prove anything or give you any detailed reasoning for anything. I have simply suggested to you to educate yourself. If you don't want to fine. But as a member of the network marketing industry do you really expect me to agree with your statement that the UW business model is unsustainable.

I gave you 4 reasons why it was. I'll give you a several others. Most people don't buy what you want. Many people join NM companies only to leave. Many people leave to try new things.

I could go on but there is no point.

If you or anyone here who thinks they know what a pyramid scheme and network marketing is and would like to do what Jimexbox has refused to do then please do so. It might just for once stop dead the ridiculous comparison.

Just to get you started: a so called pyramid scheme is an abuse of network marketing and is illegal. Network marketing is a perfectly efficient way of doing business. In many respects there is little difference between it and traditional business models. The major difference is that in NM there are no middle men as such ie wholesalers, retailers or salesmen etc. Instead these are replaced by motivated individuals who work for themselves instead of being paid a salary.

Now over to you Jimexbox.

Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

Quentin

Decado23 wrote: »

Firstly, there is no payment made for recruiting 3 (or any other number) new distributors. There are bonuses available if those recruits achieve some measure of sales success. The idea here is to encourage distributors to train & support their new recruits and get them off to a good start.

Come off it!

If you get a bonus, then you get paid!

The film shows you get bonus + ongoing commission on the sales of your recruits, their recruits, and so on - thereby building a pyramid.

If you aren't remunerated for recruiting, what would be your motivation?

Decado23

Quentin wrote: »

Come off it!

If you get a bonus, then you get paid!

The film shows you get bonus + ongoing commission on the sales of your recruits, their recruits, and so on - thereby building a pyramid.

If you aren't remunerated for recruiting, what would be your motivation?

see the bold & underlined part of the quote.

There is no payment or bonus for recruiting alone. All of the bonuses require sales, whether that be sales made yourself or sales made by your team.


UW Distributor

keggs

jimexbox wrote: »

Mm. Im not posting an opinion on your post am I? If I did I would take a quote which I disagreed with, then write a reasoned argument why you were wrong.

Apologies Jimexbox. My so am i post wasn't directed at you. It was in agreement with Decado about a disgracement and potentially libellous comment made by some one else.

With 2 discussions going on at the same time I understand your confusion.

Best wishes
Steve
UW Distributor & Very Happy Customer

jimexbox

Decado23 wrote: »

Personally I find this somewhat offensive. You have no way of knowing what motivates me or the thousands of other distributors out there. There are many reasons people may choose to start with UW (or any other business). Income is only one of them.

Are you saying they are selling UW products because of anything other than money? If you are selling UW products to enrich the lives of your customers, then I sincerely apologise.

Decado23 wrote: »

I'd have to disagree with this. Without any new distributors, existing active distributors would still be out there talking to people and gaining new customers.

Once the vast majority of UW salesmen have exhausted all their friends and family, where else is there to go? Ive asked but never received a reply, how many UW customers are signed up by a salesmen that they do not know personally or know them through a 'friend of a friend'?

Decado23 wrote: »

Hmm... think about that for a while. really think about it. If tesco (or any other store) want to open a new shop, what comes first - customers or building + staff?

The likes of Eon or British Gas etc etc, do not need to employ staff to attract new business. Unlike UW, who need new salesmen to attract new customers (their friends and family). Most business offer a product which the public can see is attractive without a 'sales pitch' which is high on spin and low on detail. If say Eons customer base grows to such an extent that their current staff number are inadequate, they employ more staff. Like I said the opposite of UW.