Osborne plans lower public sector salaries outside of the south

chucknorris

simongregson wrote: »

The reality is that teachers are all graduates and have very good transferable skills. Younger staff with fewer ties to the UK can and will move.

Being a graduate doesn't mean a lot these days.

Emy1501

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Are they? The pupils at my school that failed their A levels, became teachers.

Now the government want to raise the standard of teachers:-

Students will not be allowed to enter teacher training in England if they fail basic numeracy and literacy tests three times, under tougher rules to raise teaching standards.

At present students are allowed to take unlimited re-sits while they train.

The Department for Education said one in 10 trainees takes the numeracy test more than three times, while the figure is one in 14 for the literacy test.



The tests are the same for both primary and secondary school teacher trainees, who must also have achieved a grade C or above in GCSE maths and English.


SAMPLE QUESTIONS

• Q: Teachers organised activities for three classes of 24 pupils and four classes of 28 pupils. What was the total number of pupils involved?
• A: 184.
• Q: There were no " " remarks at the parents' evening. Is the missing word:
• a) dissaproving
• b) disaproveing
• c) dissapproving
• d) disapproving?
• A: d
• Q: For a science experiment a teacher needed 95 cubic centimetres of vinegar for each pupil. There were 20 pupils in the class. Vinegar comes in 1,000 cubic centimetre bottles. How many bottles of vinegar were needed?
• A: 2
• Q: The children enjoyed the " " nature of the task. Is the correct word:
• a) mathmatical
• b) mathematical
• c) mathemmatical
• d) mathematicall
• A: b

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13910793

As far as I'm aware you need a teaching qualification to teach in the public sector. You need a minimum of a 2.1 to get on a teacher training course for secondary.

You can though do a degree in education to become a primary school teacher.

You can though teach unqualified in a private school and I know a few unqualified teachers who have taught in the private sector

A._Badger

simongregson wrote: »

A lot of this is perception fuelled by the press.

Sorry, I don't buy that for a moment. As soon as it became clear that McDoom was finished and that Labour would be turfed out on its ear - long before any plans had been announced by the, then, opposition - people were predicting union trouble.

There is almost nothing a Conservative government can do (even one that is conservative in name only) that the public sector unions wouldn't oppose.

You can't blame everything on the Daily Mail, much as I appreciate that's in the script.

simongregson

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

Are they? The pupils at my school that failed their A levels, became teachers.

Now the government want to raise the standard of teachers:-

Interesting. Given that teachers have to have a degree. I have 4 A levels. Maths, Chemistry, Biology and Physics, at grade A or B. And a Chemistry degree from a top university.

I had to do these pointless tests too. One afternoon and really easy, I agree.

I would support having to pass these tests before being allowed to start teacher training as part of the recruitment process.

But please don't assume that the lowest common denominator represents all teachers. I know plenty with a doctorate.

ILW

Emy1501 wrote: »

As far as I'm aware you need a teaching qualification to teach in the public sector. You need a minimum of a 2.1 to get on a teacher training course for secondary.

You can though do a degree in education to become a primary school teacher.

You can though teach unqualified in a private school and I know a few unqualified teachers who have taught in the private sector

Difference is that the private schools need to produce the right results or they go bust. A degree does not necessarily make a good teacher, or lack of one a bad teacher. Difference being that the public sector is not that intersted in the final results, and more concerned with everyone having the correct piece of paper.

hallmark

stedwell wrote: »

Pleasant person!:)

With respect, you're the one who's implying that your "friends" in the private sector don't deserve their big houses or better holidays.

Perhaps you might want to at least consider that it may be becasuse they studied hard, work hard, & deserve them.

What's stopping you from having the same? We live in a free market economy, you can do what you want.

Thrugelmir

Desperate_Housewife wrote: »

Why doesnt this government start looking at ways to inject some action into the economy and start investing in this country instead of cutting spending.

As a nation we are collectively broke. We are dependent on the goodwill of others to continue to fund our lifestyle. The Government can merely tinker round the edges and create a change of direction. Whether its the final solution only time will tell.

Emy1501

ILW wrote: »

Difference is that the private schools need to produce the right results or they go bust. A degree does not necessarily make a good teacher, or lack of one a bad teacher. Difference being that the public sector is not that intersted in the final results, and more concerned with everyone having the correct piece of paper.

States school are judged on ofstead and league tables including results and valued added.

Private schools are judged simply on results but how hard is it really to teach children who for secondary have to sit within the top 10% to get in 90% of them are always going to get very good grades.

It bit like asking a football manager to manage a team with ronaldo messi and van persie as the front three or asking them to manage one with Torres, Chamack and Park. Their always going choose the first three.

We need the best teachers working in deprived areas and running down the public sector is not going to help. The kids of today are future. We should be paying the best teachers the best wage to work in the public sector or we will simply end up with teachers who simply could not get a job in the private sector

Kids at private school will always mainly do well and that's why these schools can employ unqualified teachers. A kid at a deprived state school can one of 2 ways and we need try and make sure these kids go the right way by employing the best

pqrdef

The reason we're collectively broke is because we haven't got a job any more. We'd like the government to start a small business to employ the nation. Anything considered.

ILW

Emy1501 wrote: »

States school are judged on ofstead and league tables including results and valued added.

Private schools are judged simply on results but how hard is it really to teach children who for secondary have to sit within the top 10%
to get in 90% of them are always going to get very good grades.

It bit like asking a football manager to manage a team with ronaldo messi and van persie as the front three or asking them to manage one with Torres, Chamack and Park. Their always going choose the first three.

We need the best teachers working in deprived areas and running down the public sector is not going to help. The kids of today are future. We should be paying the best teachers the best wage to work in the public sector or we will simply end up with teachers who simply could not get a job in the private sector

Alternatively, if two teachers are given classes of similar intake and at the end of a year, one of the classes is performing clearly better than the other. In a private school the poorer performing teacher would probably be sacked. This would not happen in the state sector, hence the better teachers are dragged down by the less effective.