Osborne plans lower public sector salaries outside of the south

PaulF81

Sorry, but think you will find private schools very often pay considerably less than the state sector for relative experience. My wife is on 20% less; as for less disruptive pupils, you want to see the disruptive parents. Try telling someone who is paying for an education that their little bundle of joy is special educational needs. Not quite as straightforward as dealing with a council house family who will probably be made up at the extra benefits.

A._Badger

Desperate_Housewife wrote: »

Osbornes move will create further inequalities and increase the north south divide.

Why doesnt this government start looking at ways to inject some action into the economy and start investing in this country instead of cutting spending. I know we need to save money but the disenfranchised are (as always) left behind. The poor in society are demonised and blamed as it is cheaper to do this than actually help them. Rich get richer, poor get poorer ... same old same old.

Next on the agenda, to cut the 50p tax band...why?

Things are gonna get worse

We've only just got rid of a government that talked this talk - and look what a mess it got us into.

Sadly, we've replaced it with more or less the same

Time to try something new - not more of this tired old Labour claptrap.

Emy1501

tartanterra wrote: »

They pay more because they live and die on their results. They will pay a premium for the best teachers, to keep the fees rolling in.
Market conditions force them to employ only the best teachers.



Ahem.....:cool:

Unless things have changed recently you don't even need a teaching qualification to teach in a private school. Many of the kids especially in primary school are tutored any way.

simongregson

tartanterra wrote: »

Are you seriously claiming that 50% of teachers are about to pack their job in?
Where else will they find employment?

The survey was conducted by NASUWT - probably most won't leave but 50% of respondents were considering quitting teaching

Jobs?

I thought about here

http://www.tes.co.uk/job/teacher-of-science-57302/

Salary of 53000 ish per year + 15% tax rate + accommodation allowance.

Same job as I do now.

For teaching fewer students.

The reality is that teachers are all graduates and have very good transferable skills. Younger staff with fewer ties to the UK can and will move.

The perception has been created that all public sector workers are unemployable but I don't think it represents reality. The current government, aided and abetted by the right wing press, has done their best to demonise public sector workers and done no favours in terms of helping those whose jobs have been cut find work elsewhere.

MissMoneypenny

Emy1501 wrote: »

A child born to a builder or plumber with money is privileged. I know a few parents who send their kids to private schools. They send them because the school can pick and choose who they take and kids are 16 per class. Their children do not have to mix with the local riff raff from the estate as they say I don't think th odd builder or plumber who probably runs their own business is going bother them.

You seem happy to call some children "local riff raff from the estate", but has it occured to you that "riff raff" is how some private school teachers viewed the new type of pupil they started getting when the solicitors and doctors stopped sending their children to private school?

A._Badger

simongregson wrote: »

The perception has been created that all public sector workers are unemployable but I don't think it represents reality. The current government, aided and abetted by the right wing press, has done their best to demonise public sector workers and done no favours in terms of helping those whose jobs have been cut find work elsewhere.

Be fair, it's pretty hard to demonise a group of workers led by the T Rexes of the public sector unions.

Almost anything negative one says about them is turned into understatement by their actions.

FBaby

Koicarp wrote: »

You are incorrect (we can go back and forth if you like), My job description is exactly the same as the colleague in sheffield- I know this is true because I "wrote" the job description by copying hers!
You are being incredibly naive if you really believe that job matching was the same across the country- I was on the job matching panels for my previous employer and some roles had their band decided long before we saw the job description or met a staff member.

I am not naive, the organisations you are referring to are clearly not following the NHS terms and conditions of service and as such should be challenged. It is very clear that Agenda for Change does not set up pay scales based on locations. There is a difference between what the system actually is and organisations fiddling the sytem to make it suit them.

MissMoneypenny

simongregson wrote: »

The reality is that teachers are all graduates and have very good transferable skills.

Are they? The pupils at my school that failed their A levels, became teachers.

Now the government want to raise the standard of teachers:-

Students will not be allowed to enter teacher training in England if they fail basic numeracy and literacy tests three times, under tougher rules to raise teaching standards.

At present students are allowed to take unlimited re-sits while they train.

The Department for Education said one in 10 trainees takes the numeracy test more than three times, while the figure is one in 14 for the literacy test.



The tests are the same for both primary and secondary school teacher trainees, who must also have achieved a grade C or above in GCSE maths and English.


SAMPLE QUESTIONS

• Q: Teachers organised activities for three classes of 24 pupils and four classes of 28 pupils. What was the total number of pupils involved?
• A: 184.
• Q: There were no " " remarks at the parents' evening. Is the missing word:
• a) dissaproving
• b) disaproveing
• c) dissapproving
• d) disapproving?
• A: d
• Q: For a science experiment a teacher needed 95 cubic centimetres of vinegar for each pupil. There were 20 pupils in the class. Vinegar comes in 1,000 cubic centimetre bottles. How many bottles of vinegar were needed?
• A: 2
• Q: The children enjoyed the " " nature of the task. Is the correct word:
• a) mathmatical
• b) mathematical
• c) mathemmatical
• d) mathematicall
• A: b

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-13910793

Emy1501

MissMoneypenny wrote: »

You seem happy to call some children "local riff raff from the estate", but has it occured to you that "riff raff" is how some private school teachers viewed the new type of pupil they started getting when the solicitors and doctors stopped sending their children to private school?

I have family and friends who send their kids to private school so they don't have to mix with kids from the local estate. 7-10k a year per child for primary. I'm not sure where you think parents from estates are going to get this sort of money from.

You don't need to be a solicitor to have well behaved kids. Most of the parents of these kids either run their own business or have very good jobs. You will get a few who sacrifice loads to send their kids there but not sure you can compare these kids to local kids you will get a your average local primary in a deprived area.

simongregson

A._Badger wrote: »

Be fair, it's pretty hard to demonise a group of workers led by the T Rexes of the public sector unions.

Almost anything negative one says about them is turned into understatement by their actions.

A lot of this is perception fuelled by the press. Not all unions call their members to strike at the drop of a hat, but the government must be doing something wrong if they have unions who have not taken strike action in over 100 years to call their members out... The rhetoric from the government has been on the level of the most militant unions - after all we have an education secretary who has branded a parents group 'trots' for questioning if their school should convert to an academy. This is not the way to deal with the genuine issues about long term public sector changes and the government knows it, but it plays well to the sections of the press and electorate they want to appeal to.