Osborne plans lower public sector salaries outside of the south

Emy1501

ILW wrote: »

Alternatively, if two teachers are given classes of similar intake and at the end of a year, one of the classes is performing clearly better than the other. In a private school the poorer performing teacher would probably be sacked. This would not happen in the state sector, hence the better teachers are dragged down by the less effective.

Government are already looking to bring in a law which would allow a failing teacher to be sacked within a year.

ILW

Emy1501 wrote: »

Government are already looking to bring in a law which would allow a failing teacher to be sacked within a year.

What does that tell you about the current situation?

A private school would have a poor teacher out witinn weeks. They need to if they wish to survive.

Emy1501

ILW wrote: »

What does that tell you about the current situation?

A private school would have a poor teacher out witinn weeks. They need to if they wish to survive.

Private schools have to follow the same employment law as any other private company surely? You can't simply sack someone for poor work. You need to put them on development plans etc and show that you have done everything to assist any problems they have. You are probably looking at 18-24 months for this.

Another thing is kids tend to be streamed from a young age in private school so I suspect it's not often you will get classes of similar abilities

pqrdef

ILW wrote: »

Difference is that the private schools need to produce the right results or they go bust.

Not necessarily. There are more crap private schools than good ones. People send their kids to private schools for all sorts of reasons. They aren't all obsessed with results. And like the woman said, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

pqrdef

ILW wrote: »

Alternatively, if two teachers are given classes of similar intake and at the end of a year, one of the classes is performing clearly better than the other.

Doesn't happen. Every school has a wide range of teachers, from brilliant to barely adequate, and always did, and it never makes much difference who teaches who. The results of a class are pretty predictable before it's been decided which teacher to allocate. Non-learners won't learn even from good teachers. Learners will learn from bad teachers, or even if not taught at all.

What heads want, and will soon have, is the ability to sack the awkward squad on trumped-up charges of incompetence.

pleasedelete

Academies have freedom to pay what they want. They pay the national rate and often more. It will be interesting to see if it is removal of national pay for teachers or an expansion of regional rates (so different rates but centrally defined).

In parts of Yorkshire the removal of national pay will increase teachers salaries I imagine as there is a shortage . There is a crisis shortage of primary head teachers and in some LAs it is very hard to get decent eyfs and ks1 teachers. Schools are currently offering tlrs and ahts to posts that woukd have been main scale. I get calls every week asking me if i know a head and several times a month for teachers.

pleasedelete

Emy1501 wrote: »

Government are already looking to bring in a law which would allow a failing teacher to be sacked within a year.

It currently takes less than a year. They are looking to accelerate it to a term.

A._Badger

pqrdef wrote: »

.....it never makes much difference who teaches who. The results of a class are pretty predictable before it's been decided which teacher to allocate. Non-learners won't learn even from good teachers. Learners will learn from bad teachers, or even if not taught at all.

I've read some dumb stuff on this forum but you've just jumped the queue.

I doubt anyone here cannot remember at least one teacher in their life who shone, inspired and got results.

pqrdef

A._Badger wrote: »

I doubt anyone here cannot remember at least one teacher in their life who shone, inspired and got results.

I've known teachers who impressed the kids with their massive personal charisma, yes.

I've also known them leave, and somehow, life carried on much the same and the kids still got the grades.

I've also known the kids get the grades when taught by terrible teachers.

The system couldn't function if this were not the case. It can't depend on individual stars.

chucknorris

pqrdef wrote: »

Doesn't happen. Every school has a wide range of teachers, from brilliant to barely adequate, and always did, and it never makes much difference who teaches who. The results of a class are pretty predictable before it's been decided which teacher to allocate. Non-learners won't learn even from good teachers. Learners will learn from bad teachers, or even if not taught at all.

What heads want, and will soon have, is the ability to sack the awkward squad on trumped-up charges of incompetence.

Well I hope you are wrong (in fact it's beyond hope I am fairly certain that you are). In my first year of lecturing I just followed my predecessor's format to get me started. However at the end of the semester it was obvious to me that I could be doing a lot more, particularly in reaching the less able students.

I decided to reduce some subject content from the module, instead of delivering 10 different subject lectures, I changed it to 5 lectures. But every other lecture became a 'workshop' where the students would work in groups and solve a problem based on the previous week's lecture. This resulted in the students having to actively engage with subject rather than sitting back and passively listening to me. I circulate around during the workshops and offer help where it is needed, but I found that the stronger students also started acting as tutors, this meant that the stronger students were also learning from tutoring and the less able students were getting more tutorial assistance.

I am always looking to improve my lectures, after every lecture I make notes on how it went, how I could improve it for next year. During the quieter summer period I edit the lecture material in an attempt to improve it.

As for being sacked, I don't need any 'trumpted up charges' if the head of my department stated that I wasn't up to scratch and wanted me to leave, I would immediately give her my resignation. Obviously just like anything else (cycling, running chess etc) I strive to be the best that I possibly can, if I was failing at something and couldn't get back on track then it's time to change to something that you can make work (although I have to say I haven't had to resort to doing that yet)