Who's going to loose when DLA becomes PIP?

Anubis_2

wattdallas wrote: »

I for one dont really care who Andy Rotoguy or even Uponahill is .

The fact is what has been stated by Upon a hill is true, at least the guys honest to say on paper he is disabled but to himself hes not.

Hes ticked all the boxes just like thousands of others:o

It really makes my blood boil that there are claiments who get HRC and HRM for for depression ,arthritis ,ME ,Fibro ,etc etc etc etc etc .Yet my daughter cant do nothing for herself ,cant walk ,talk,sit ,seizures etc- yet claim the same amount has her in DLA benefits :eek: It is never right and thankgod this government is introducing pip.

:mad:

I totally understand where you are coming from as my friends son is similar and also blind and has to be tube fed.

However, as far as I know, someone with depression does not get HRM. Also, don't underestimate other peoples conditions. Lupus, fibro and ME are devastating enough on their own, but very often come together - so three to deal with, together with the life threatening conditions that lupus brings such as heart and all major organ issues - it affects the whole system, infact they are all systemic.

So people with these conditions are just as deserving if the care and mobility needs are there.

pauletruth

lots of folks on dla have jobs. i do.
of course its a shame your daughter has this condition. as a parent i fully understand were your coming from. our first daughter would have been in a simular condition if she had survived sadly she did not.

yes your daughter should get all the support she needs but dla was never just intended for the absolute cases like your daughter. don't let the goverment start making out that there are worthy sick and unworthy sick folks. its the tradional split and divide.

SueDerbyshire

CTcelt1988 wrote: »

PIP is trialling next year and will be rolled out nationally in 2014. They hope to have all existing DLA claimants transferred to PIP by 2016.

Thank you for that information. It's a while yet, best not to worry too much, anything could happen between now and then.

wattdallas

Anubis wrote: »

I totally understand where you are coming from as my friends son is similar and also blind and has to be tube fed.

However, as far as I know, someone with depression does not get HRM. Also, don't underestimate other peoples conditions. Lupus, fibro and Me are devastating enough on their own, bit very often come together - so three to deal with, together with the life threatening conditions that lupus brings such as heart and all major organ issues - it affects the whole system.

So people with these conditions are just as deserving if the care and mobility needs are there.

I get where your coming from also, my friend has lupus and now has had a kidney transplant because of it and yes i do think she is entitled to DLA though something is so wrong that she too gets the highest rates as my daughter - even she agrees with me.

Maybe the government should put people like my daughter on a different rate altogether

uponahill

wattdallas wrote: »

I suffer from severe sciatica which has left me with drop foot and a numb left lower calf and depression - and no im not disabled.

As for fraud rate to get that accurate you would need people to admit it :rotfl:

My daughter will always be entitled to highest rates because of the complex of her disabilites needless to say id rather she wasnt disabled:)

Oh if ya really wanna see disabilty come mine for a day - bet id change your mind;)

I wonder how many will go get themselves a job when they dont pass - posts on here show that

Thank you for your comments. I too have that condition, caused unfortunately by a horse riding incident years ago - galloping across the beach in Angelsy, the daft animal decided to do an immediate 90* turn and I carried straight on!
To be honest I have never mentioned that problem (mainly because I had put it to one side in my head and (a) because it was my own fault and (b) it is minor compared to what else is wrong with my legs.
I wish you all the best with your daughter

jo011e2470

uponahill wrote: »

Oh for goodness sake - of course there are plans. Just at the moment they are not being implimented.

Lets say a guy who is 66 today and lives for another 30 years - are you honestly telling me that they will still have DLA being run side by side of PIP for all those years up until 2042?

Not in a month of Sundays will they do that.

It's like saying that a certain age group will not be moved from IB to ESA!! You are in cloud cuckoo land!!

I would imagine that after they have concluded the re-assessment of the 16 - 65 age group - 3 years time maybe, they will start on the upper and lower age DLA recipients.

Say in about 5/6 years time everyone of every age will have been re-assessed using PIP criteria.

There is a certain group that is not being moved from from IB to ESA, claiments that reach the age of retirement befor April 2014

seven-day-weekend

jo011e2470 wrote: »

There is a certain group that is not being moved from from IB to ESA, claiments that reach the age of retirement befor April 2014

Quite true, my husband is one of them. He is 65 in January 2014 and will never be moved to ESA.

jo011e2470

SueDerbyshire wrote: »

I have read alot about PIP and the changes ahead but what I can't seem to find is when are they intending on bringing PIP in. Does anyone know when this will be?

Also, has it been agreed who will be assessed first? I was assessed last year after they had decided to make it harder to pass an assessment (ESA assessment - this was used to decide whether I was entitled to DLA, including my form and doctors reports etc). I was told at the time, it was harder than ever to pass and therefore recieve DLA (not sure if that was true). I was just thinking that they must have some idea who they feel needs to be assessed first, such as people who have not been assessed for a while. Any ideas?

Thank you.

Sue

For many the change to PIP will not happen for a long time.There is a timetable for its introductionof PIP.The latest government position is set out by Lord Freud in the recent Welfare Reform debate in January 2012
[ Only a few thousand PIP will be processed in the first months after the introduction of PIP in April 2013. All new and renewal claims will be treated as claims for PIP rather than DLA

If this goes smoothly all new claims will then be for PIP.
Existing DLA claiments will only be assessed for PIP six months after the benefit has been introduced sometime in October 2013. Initially this will only be DLA claiments whose fixed-term awards are ending and claiments who report a change of circumstances

Assessing all current DLA claiments is likely to take at least three years, so its unlikely to be completed before October 2016

SueDerbyshire

jo011e2470 wrote: »

For many the change to PIP will not happen for a long time.There is a timetable for its introductionof PIP.The latest government position is set out by Lord Freud in the recent Welfare Reform debate in January 2012
[ Only a few thousand PIP will be processed in the first months after the introduction of PIP in April 2013. All new and renewal claims will be treated as claims for PIP rather than DLA

If this goes smoothly all new claims will then be for PIP.
Existing DLA claiments will only be assessed for PIP six months after the benefit has been introduced sometime in October 2013. Initially this will only be DLA claiments whose fixed-term awards are ending and claiments who report a change of circumstances

Assessing all current DLA claiments is likely to take at least three years, so its unlikely to be completed before October 2016

That's really useful information. Thank you for taking the time to reply to me.

Sue

fogartyblue.

jo011e2470 wrote: »

You may think you will do better on PIP but remember it will be ATOS who will do the medicals for this benefit, and if you go with ATOS record on ESA, they are turning a lot of people down who think they should be getting this benefit.

Exactly, it is the claimant that THINKS they are entitled to the benefit. The claimants are not best placed to give an objective opinion are they??