Who's going to loose when DLA becomes PIP?

fogartyblue.

Anubis wrote: »

Stop scaremongering. I repeat there are no plans to reassess the under 16s and the over 65s

Unfortunately you are wrong!

From what I have read you will have to be over 65 as at April 2013.

If you are not and the PIP assessment takes 3/4 years to complete, you could, at a pinch be 69 when you are assessed!!

fogartyblue.

jo011e2470 wrote: »

There is a certain group that is not being moved from from IB to ESA, claiments that reach the age of retirement befor April 2014

Correct and when they do reach the retirement age their claim for IB will cease!!

The same goes for PIP. You will not be assessed if you are 65 as at April 2013.

However you could be one day short of 65 and it may take up to 4 years to get round to assessing you. You could quite conceivably be 69 then!!!!
The Government are suggesting even now that 4 years may not be a long enough period - meaning that there could well be 70 year olds being tested for PIP!!!

To say that no one over 65 will be assessed for PIP is plainly wrong and is giving out misleading information!

fogartyblue.

I am trying to find out what the position could be if when you get the letter asking if you would like to be assessed for PIP you say no. Would they stop the DLA immediately or allow it to continue until the move over period has finished in say 3/4/5 years?

Then if in say 3 years time you then said you had changed your mind would they refuse it as some people would then be over 65?

They are going to have to draft the law very carefully.

Bosie

I really hope this new PIP benefit helps the real needy person.
I know a fella and it gets to me, he can decorate,help himself move house and gets Mobility. He even admitted he takes his stick incase he maybe filmed:mad: Shocking isn't it, he must do an oscar perfomance at the doctors.

rogerblack

fogartyblue. wrote: »

I am trying to find out what the position could be if when you get the letter asking if you would like to be assessed for PIP you say no.

There is no such letter for the vast majority.
There may be for a very, very small number of trial cases.

For the vast majority, it will be 'We are reassessing you, ...'
There is no choice - you either are converted, or you stop getting benefit - there is no choice.

fogartyblue.

Bosie wrote: »

I really hope this new PIP benefit helps the real needy person.
I know a fella and it gets to me, he can decorate,help himself move house and gets Mobility. He even admitted he takes his stick incase he maybe filmed:mad: Shocking isn't it, he must do an oscar perfomance at the doctors.

He doesn't need to be an actor!

He simply tells his GP that he can't do this and can't do that.
Obviously he must have a medical problem, but it's what he tells his GP is important.

The GP's report will confirm what he has said to the DWP - then it will be accepted as the truth - who would say a GP tells lies?
They don't, they just repeat what the patient has told them!

However the DWP are aware that this is happening, hence under PIP, a GP's report will have little sway over the medical assessment carried out by the DWP's own medical services team.

No one really knows what my limitations are, it is left down to trust that I am totally honest with me GP.

harry7075

uponahill wrote: »

The payment is in consequence of war, not falling down drunk one night outside the pub and then claiming a back injury which only DLA/PIP can resolve!!

Well not quite. Too qualify for a war pension you don't have to be injured in a war. too qualify for The war pensions mobility supplement you have to have a war pension of 40% or more and that has to be payable for a condition that has a determent on your mobility.

fogartyblue.

rogerblack wrote: »

There is no such letter for the vast majority.
There may be for a very, very small number of trial cases.

For the vast majority, it will be 'We are reassessing you, ...'
There is no choice - you either are converted, or you stop getting benefit - there is no choice.

5.6 From October 2013 any recipient of DLA reporting a change in their care or mobility needs will be invited to claim Personal Independence Payment. We will also begin inviting claims to Personal Independence Payment from people whose existing fixed-term award expires from March 2014 onwards.
5.7 Between October and December 2013 we will run a Pathfinder exercise of around 30,000 DLA claimants subject to the managed reassessment process. Any further lessons we learn during this exercise will be incorporated before we start the full reassessment exercise from January 2014.

5.8 The exercise to contact and invite a claim to Personal Independence Payment for all recipients of DLA will conclude by March 2016, although we would expect that not all reassessments will have been completed until later that year.
http://www.dwp.gov.uk/docs/pip-detailed-design-consultation.pdf

I have had a read of the above link - and all of my questions have now been answered.

There are going to be one hell of a lot of people who will lose out!!!

But it is a good thing. At least this way those that have a GP who will support a claimant and those that wont or can't will be on par with each other in future.

And you are not obliged to even fill out the PIP - self assessed claim from or even send in any medical evidence to support your case. That again is a good thing - everyone, bar a few, will have the same chances at the assessment to put their points over, if they choose to.

shambolics

Actually the DLA money will be cut and you will be invited to apply for PIP.

I know the papers have been picking up on the trickled stories of 'scroungers' living the life of Riley on benefits but do please remember those who are suffering. I know of many disabled people who are now terrified of being confined to their home unable to afford , or have the means to go out. Disability and sickness are a tough enough burden but life becomes hellish when you are stuck in one place unable to have a break or change of air. Try it - it will drive you mad.
Also bear in mind that statistics suggest that even if you are able bodied now , you will experience disability at some stage in your life. Then it will be too late to regret what is happening now.

but foremost, we shouldn't be always thinking of ourselves. Caring for those less able is a mark of a civilized society and makes you feel good - try that, it will transform bitterness into tenderness.

All these accusations of 'scroungers' is just a cover up for the bitter uncaring resentment brewing in our world. Take that unfounded and unproven mythology away and you are basically just giving the disabled a good kicking. Look at the facts not the headlines. Go to fullfact.com and see how low the fraud figures really are. To believe that most DLA claimants are 'scroungers' is like believing that all English people are football hooligans. Those that are swinging the lead are easily weeded out. It didn't require a complete rehash of the system costing millions. watch out , you may be next!

melbury

shambolics wrote: »

Actually the DLA money will be cut and you will be invited to apply for PIP.

I know the papers have been picking up on the trickled stories of 'scroungers' living the life of Riley on benefits but do please remember those who are suffering. I know of many disabled people who are now terrified of being confined to their home unable to afford , or have the means to go out. Disability and sickness are a tough enough burden but life becomes hellish when you are stuck in one place unable to have a break or change of air. Try it - it will drive you mad.
Also bear in mind that statistics suggest that even if you are able bodied now , you will experience disability at some stage in your life. Then it will be too late to regret what is happening now.

but foremost, we shouldn't be always thinking of ourselves. Caring for those less able is a mark of a civilized society and makes you feel good - try that, it will transform bitterness into tenderness.

All these accusations of 'scroungers' is just a cover up for the bitter uncaring resentment brewing in our world. Take that unfounded and unproven mythology away and you are basically just giving the disabled a good kicking. Look at the facts not the headlines. Go to fullfact.com and see how low the fraud figures really are. To believe that most DLA claimants are 'scroungers' is like believing that all English people are football hooligans. Those that are swinging the lead are easily weeded out. It didn't require a complete rehash of the system costing millions. watch out , you may be next!

I don't think it is easy to weed out those that are swinging the lead. Seems that many people just about have a degree in the art of claiming benefits, which of course is to the detriment of the really needy and deserving people.

Many appear to have been quite content to sit back and just keep on taking the money - nobody forced them to do this. The government is using the excuse that these people have been let down and have had no proactive help in getting back to work, but surely anybody is quite capable of looking for a job themselves if they are well enough;)