There are plenty of jobs out there!

adindas

There is a documentary from BBC presented by Evan Davies which was broadcasted in 2010.

"The day The immigrant left"

You will see some true figure of some UK workforce and one of the reason why the UK employers prefer to give the job to the immigrants.

Of course majority of UK workforce was not like that but at least make people see that there is a problem here with some people, who did not want to work not because there is not any work ...

gettingready

adindas wrote: »

There is a documentary from BBC presented by Evan Davies which was broadcasted in 2010.

"The day The immigrant left"

You will see some true figure of some UK workforce and one of the reason why the UK employers prefer to give the job to the immigrants.

Of course majority of UK workforce was not like that but at least make people see that there is a problem here with some people, who did not want to work not because there is not any work ...

From the description:

Duration: 1 hour
Evan Davis presents a programme exploring the effects of immigration in the UK by focusing on Wisbech, a town in Cambridgeshire.
Since 2004 this once prosperous market town has received up to 9,000 immigrants seeking work - the majority from Eastern Europe. But with nearly 2,000 locals unemployed and claiming benefits, many of them blame the foreign workers for their predicament.
To test if the town needs so many foreign workers, immigrant employees are temporarily removed from their jobs, and the work given to the local unemployed. Now the town's British workers have a chance to prove they can do it.
Eleven British unemployed workers are recruited to go into a range of different Wisbech workplaces including a potato company, an asparagus farm, an Indian restaurant and a building site run by a local landlord.
Moving beyond the workplace, Evan Davis investigates how the town's local public services, such as schools and the NHS, are coping with the demands of the new arrivals.
As the British unemployed workers get to grips with their new jobs, this documentary examines the facts and dispels the myths around the subject of immigration.

Available on.... YouTube

Unfortunately can only find parts 3, 4 and 5 - anyone knows where can I see (again) part 1 and 6?

mgdavid

Derivative wrote: »

Yes, I refuse to entertain the viewpoint that individuals cannot better themselves and become competent in any field they so choose.

I refuse to believe that I do not have control over this part of my destiny. If I want to become a doctor, I have the ability to learn how to become one. I choose not to, of course, because other careers appeal to me more.

But to suggest that I should simply not bother, and that I might be 'dangerous' simply because I had to put in a little more effort than some do, is quite frankly ridiculous.

The qualities that are needed for almost any profession are hard work, time management, and discipline. Everything else comes through application of those three.

seriously you are deluded; alternatively you are seriously deluded.

Derivative

mgdavid wrote: »

seriously you are deluded; alternatively you are seriously deluded.

Could you explain? To be clear, I've forgotten to mention that willpower alone of course isn't going to get a job; the correct conditions have to exist also. You can do all the training in the world in a field but if noone is taking on or there are simply better candidates, you won't stand much of a chance.

As a reply to the other poster about "simply reading what you've said", well yes, I've done that, but I want to know why you hold that opinion, which you don't seem to have stated yet. That's why I'm still here! I've tried to give reasons as to why I think the opposite.

I don't think it's particularly useful to state an opinion without any reasoning behind it. I mean, it's plainly obvious that some think they couldn't cut it in certain careers - that's why the vast majority of us aren't all studying economics and going for investment banking jobs (along with the job cuts, lol). What I'd like to know is why people think that.

LisaB85

silkyuk9 wrote: »

Rubbish

so why has my useless brother been unemployed since he left school at 16, now 39. Never had a job and doesnt want one. Never has had to supply evidence as far as im aware as hes never out of bed during the day, stays up all night playing ps3 games on his 40 inch flat screen. total rubbish about supplying evidence.

He knows how to play the system, he should be completing an es4 and the advisers should be matching him to jobs and asking for proof of applying. If his adviser hasn't done this they have failed not the system.

After so long I'm not sure why he hasn't been on new deal, work prog etc

Unless of course he is on IB not JSA.

Personally I think you're just angry at your family and trying to sprout !!!! about something you know very little about because as you put it you have always worked. Oh I used to work for JCP so know what claimants are required to do so it isn't just me who has to do

silkyuk9

LadyMissA wrote: »

I am beging to wonder if you are for real!! It's not rubbish at all as I have seen people sanctioned for not bring their job searches with them and I am in the middle of updating mine on a Word Doc for the work programme and signed at the JC last Friday where she looked at both booklets I had filled in and even asked me questions about feedback and who I had applied to etc.

It seems you are bitter at family members and come on here and have a go at us.

you should give him some job search tips!!

Bitter at family members, how does that work, in all the comments ive only mentioned 1 family member and that was giving evidence that having to provide evidence of looking for work was garbage. I'm not bitter. If my brother wants to live on his dole and do nothing, Ill say again Do Nothing in life, not even got a damn passport, never been out of his town! thats fine with me. I could not give a fiddlers fart. He has 3 kids to 3 different females that live in 3 different parts of the UK, sound like im bulls***** but this is true. These females are the same as him loners and unemployed but prefer to live like that because it suits their life style. They are not interested in doing anything in life nor experiancing other cultures and tastes, live in Iceland and Farmfoods eating chips and 3% fish fingers and smoking. Thats another discussion my brother, and beleive me i'm not bitter!!

Lets get back to the real discussion.

Some people may have to provide evidence im not saying each and everyone has to. I would I know that for a fact as Ive never been into a dole office in my life so don't know the 'system' Once you know how to play the system its easy for you to claim you benefits and carry on. Can you imagine an employee of the office where you ealk into week after week seeing your familiar face week after week. Well i'm sure there are ways to deflect the evidence and sing on and simply walk out.

I'm speaking from knowing someone who has been unemployed and does not want a job, fact. So anyone with half a brain can manipulate the system. I couldn't because I don't have a brain that the likes of my brother have.

This is why i'm bitter.

I pay over £200 per month tax, I have to work slightly over 20 hours each month for nothing. So at the beginning of each month the first 3 days I get up out of my pit for sod all. I'm really giving £200 to an individual thats just going to bed after a hards night on the PS3. Is that fair, thats why im bitter.

Evidence my !!!!

Derivative

I would like to know what being 'sanctioned' on JSA actually means, could anyone in the system give a bit of a description?

From Internet searches, it looks like generally a first 'sanction' is loss of two weeks' JSA. Second four weeks, and third half a year.

Only the third sanctioning seems significant to me, unless I'm missing something or they are being doled out willy nilly. £400 is a lot of money, to be sure, but if it's the only penalty, thinking about it on an hourly basis, it's not that much to pay.

Anyway, this is besides the point - I think the real issue is that you can't force people to apply for jobs, it's a bit daft to even try. You can force people to fill in applications and attend interviews. But you can't stop someone from not taking the interview seriously, for example.

The 'workfare' issue that is coming up in the news lately seems to be a programme that has the right intention, but actually just ends up providing free labour to big business. Making people on JSA contribute to society is not a bad thing, but giving multinational companies free labour, thus devaluing labour itself, should not be tolerated.

red_devil

falko89 wrote: »

Do you ever get this attitude, "There are plenty of jobs out there" really really pi$$es me of, it implies I am not doing enough to get a job:mad:

People who say that are ignorant. What news do they listen too? As long as you know your doing enough take no notice. Who cares what people think?

LisaB85

Derivative wrote: »

The 'workfare' issue that is coming up in the news lately seems to be a programme that has the right intention, but actually just ends up providing free labour to big business. Making people on JSA contribute to society is not a bad thing, but giving multinational companies free labour, thus devaluing labour itself, should not be tolerated.

It is supposed to be targeting those who do nothing to look for work and are work shy or those who want to volunteer for it as something to put on the CV not everyone is asked to do it.

I would have no problem if they asked me to do it for a charity or community project but I won't be volunteering to work for Tesco for £2.25 an hour while Tesco get paid for taking these people on yet are cutting the hours of their paid staff.

Lets hope they scrap the stupid thing soon.

LisaB85

silkyuk9 wrote: »

Bitter at family members, how does that work, in all the comments ive only mentioned 1 family member and that was giving evidence that having to provide evidence of looking for work was garbage. I'm not bitter. If my brother wants to live on his dole and do nothing, Ill say again Do Nothing in life, not even got a damn passport, never been out of his town! thats fine with me. I could not give a fiddlers fart. He has 3 kids to 3 different females that live in 3 different parts of the UK, sound like im bulls***** but this is true. These females are the same as him loners and unemployed but prefer to live like that because it suits their life style. They are not interested in doing anything in life nor experiancing other cultures and tastes, live in Iceland and Farmfoods eating chips and 3% fish fingers and smoking. Thats another discussion my brother, and beleive me i'm not bitter!!

Lets get back to the real discussion.

Some people may have to provide evidence im not saying each and everyone has to. I would I know that for a fact as Ive never been into a dole office in my life so don't know the 'system' Once you know how to play the system its easy for you to claim you benefits and carry on. Can you imagine an employee of the office where you ealk into week after week seeing your familiar face week after week. Well i'm sure there are ways to deflect the evidence and sing on and simply walk out.

I'm speaking from knowing someone who has been unemployed and does not want a job, fact. So anyone with half a brain can manipulate the system. I couldn't because I don't have a brain that the likes of my brother have.

This is why i'm bitter.

I pay over £200 per month tax, I have to work slightly over 20 hours each month for nothing. So at the beginning of each month the first 3 days I get up out of my pit for sod all. I'm really giving £200 to an individual thats just going to bed after a hards night on the PS3. Is that fair, thats why im bitter.

Evidence my !!!!

You really need to get help for all your anger/bitterness it isn't healthy and you might give yourself a heart attack.

There will always be those who play the system but lets hope you never lose your job and if you begrudge having a full time job that so many would love to have please quit so I can have your job.