There are plenty of jobs out there!

SLAYFIELD1

falko89 wrote: »

What I want to know is where have all these basic jobs gone to? Have these work schemes taken the jobs or what? They seem to have vanished, the rare time when you do actually find one its part time.

.... Immigrants.

gettingready

Derivative wrote: »

I think you've misinterpreted my post.

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Not really - some people have a narural ability towards certain things and some do not.

Those who do not, should not really force themselves (and put others in possible danger), just my point of view.

gettingready

SLAYFIELD1 wrote: »

.... Immigrants.

Why do you feel this is? If true of course.

Derivative

gettingready wrote: »

Not really - some people have a narural ability towards certain things and some do not.

Those who do not, should not really force themselves (and put others in possible danger), just my point of view.

You do realise that there are examinations in medicine degrees? That people don't just fumble their way through and then get let loose with a scalpel at the end?

To be frank, you're letting emotions cloud your judgement here. "Put others in danger"? Please.

As you have said, some people have a 'natural ability', as in, they learn faster and/or have a greater passion for certain studies. That doesn't mean that noone else should even bother.

The human brain has a remarkable capacity for learning, and just by studying a certain topic we can actually become better at not just that unique topic, but at learning itself.

To be clear I am relating only to mentally challenging subjects here. Physical is a whole other ball game. I can train as hard as I like, and never beat Usain Bolt in a race. My legs are too short. And yes, someone who has a related disability is probably not best becoming a doctor or surgeon. Shaky hands are no good inside bodies. :P

gettingready

Of course I realise there are exams etc etc - that is nto the point.

No, I am not letting my emotions to cloud my judgement, not at all.

By natural ability I do not necessary mean the speed at which they learn but let's say " a call" towards a certain profession, and that is what makes them good at one thing and not so good at another.

Derivative

gettingready wrote: »

Of course I realise there are exams etc etc - that is nto the point.

No, I am not letting my emotions to cloud my judgement, not at all.

By natural ability I do not necessary mean the speed at which they learn but let's say " a call" towards a certain profession, and that is what makes them good at one thing and not so good at another.

A call towards a certain profession? This all sounds a bit mystic and religious to me.

Yes, people have preferences about what they'd like to do. That's why we let people choose what they want to study and what career path they want to take. It is very difficult to become passionate about something you find boring and dull from the outset.

I don't like the idea that people are shoehorned into being absolutely good at some things and absolutely bad at others. It creates a sense of helplessness. I didn't like English in school and I generally got bad grades. But while it's not perfect, I don't think that I do a bad job of expressing myself on these forums.

That's an example of something that took a lot of practice, of reading books and newspapers which use complex English and not just tabloids with a seven letter word maximum.

At the risk of sounding like a motivational speaker, I think people do themselves a disservice when they say things like 'I'm useless at maths' or 'Oh, I could never write an essay'. Practice makes perfect. If you never give it a go, or give up at the first hurdle, you'll never get there. Pretending you have some innate difficulty is putting up barriers and is an excuse.

I don't think that I am being arrogant if I state that I don't think there are many jobs out there that I couldn't train for, given enough time. The hardest ones would be those including physical labour because I don't work out enough. And I'm not sure how any able bodied person can claim that they absolutely couldn't do engineering, or medicine, or law, or any of the aforementioned disciplines.

gettingready

I still do not think you understand what I am saying or rather typing.

It is not about ability as such to do one job or another and there is nothing mystic about some people being suited to be good doctors, veterinarians, priests etc.

Some jobs /professions you need a real passion for and only then you can suceed.

Some you can just lear and do.

LadyMissA

silkyuk9 wrote: »

Rubbish

so why has my useless brother been unemployed since he left school at 16, now 39. Never had a job and doesnt want one. Never has had to supply evidence as far as im aware as hes never out of bed during the day, stays up all night playing ps3 games on his 40 inch flat screen. total rubbish about supplying evidence.

I am beging to wonder if you are for real!! It's not rubbish at all as I have seen people sanctioned for not bring their job searches with them and I am in the middle of updating mine on a Word Doc for the work programme and signed at the JC last Friday where she looked at both booklets I had filled in and even asked me questions about feedback and who I had applied to etc.

It seems you are bitter at family members and come on here and have a go at us.

you should give him some job search tips!!

Derivative

gettingready wrote: »

I still do not think you understand what I am saying or rather typing.

It is not about ability as such to do one job or another and there is nothing mystic about some people being suited to be good doctors, veterinarians, priests etc.

Some jobs /professions you need a real passion for and only then you can suceed.

Some you can just lear and do.

You seem to be repeating what I've said?

There is no need to assign some strange, innate quality to what is simply a preference.

Someone who has an interest, or as you call it, 'passion' in/for a subject is naturally going to want to study it more, and that will generally reinforce that interest and lead to a positive feedback loop, giving them a high amount of knowledge in that field and making them more likely to pursue a career in it.

That doesn't mean that if for example tomorrow, I discovered I actually really liked dentistry (and the 'passion' appeared!), that I would fail or be 'unsafe' as a dentist simply because I didn't want to be one from birth.

gettingready

No, I am not repeating what you are saying - you just simple refuse to see a point of view different to your own.

I am not talking about interest or preference or ability to learn. It is more than that that makes a good professional in quite a few disciplines.

And right now I am going to bed so....

Nite nite all.