There are plenty of jobs out there!

dickydonkin

drwho2011 wrote: »

The truth is there are about 400,000 jobs which are advertised and another 400,000 which aren't advertised.

Yes there are 2.67m unemployed people, or 9.5m if you count students, unemployed lone parents or people on sickness related benefits.

You last comment is flippant and unwarranted.

Where do you get the figure of 400,000 'unadvertised' jobs when they aren't well.........advertised? Or is that just an uneducated guess?

And how can a student be classed as unemployed when they are studying as a ..........student?

I won't even dignify your reference about lone parents with a response - I am not in that category by the way!

The real unemployment figure will be around 5 million as consecutive governments continually manipulate figures to suit their own means.

One sector that you omitted from your 'list' is the number of over 50's who would love to work but do not or cannot claim benefits due to having been prudent throughout their working career. These people (of who there will be numerous) have a lot to offer but are in general, disregarded by many employers.

LadyMissA

drwho2011 wrote: »

I wouldn't put 20 years of experience on a CV in the first place. In my profession employers only care about the last 5.

I've used every interview to sell myself and elaborate on my CV.

I never said I the last 20 years on my CV - in fact the last 11 as they are the relevant years in the industry I have worked in and surely then when you go to the interviews they actually ask you stuff like that? Maybe you have never been asked to give a detailed blow of your employment history in full or where you started in accounts, like I have.

drwho2011

LadyMissA wrote: »

Household income = zero
savings = zero

Still have no free prescriptions for 6 mths, fact!

What is an HC1? You seem to know a lot to fill in a form the day after you lost a job?

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Illorinjured/DG_10018978

This part will apply based on what you've said.

Help if you're on a low income

NHS Low Income Scheme


If none of the above apply and you're on a low income you may be able to get help through the NHS Low Income Scheme.
The amount of help you get will depend on the amount of income you have. You may not be entitled to any help if your savings are above the limits shown below.
You can't get help if:

• you live permanently in a care home and have £23,250 in property, savings or other money
• you, or your partner or civil partner together have £16,000 in property (excluding the place where you live), savings or other money

They will access your circumstances and likely send you a HC2 exemption certificate.

As I stated before I used to work for the DWP and a JCP is one of the places you can collect this form. You can claim back some costs already paid for treatment (within certain time limits) if you have paid costs but would have been eligible for assistance.

drwho2011

dickydonkin wrote: »

You last comment is flippant and unwarranted.

Where do you get the figure of 400,000 'unadvertised' jobs when they aren't well.........advertised? Or is that just an uneducated guess?

From research.

dickydonkin wrote: »

And how can a student be classed as unemployed when they are studying as a ..........student?

They aren't listed in the official figures, I included unemployed students with the others who aren't in employment.

Another way to look at it is this, 9.5m of working age who are not in employment vs 29m F/T workers and approx 8m P/T workers.

dickydonkin wrote: »

I won't even dignify your reference about lone parents with a response - I am not in that category by the way!

And how was this directed at you? I included lone parents with children under 7 because they don't feature in the official figures.

dickydonkin wrote: »

The real unemployment figure will be around 5 million as consecutive governments continually manipulate figures to suit their own means.

One sector that you omitted from your 'list' is the number of over 50's who would love to work but do not or cannot claim benefits due to having been prudent throughout their working career. These people (of who there will be numerous) have a lot to offer but are in general, disregarded by many employers.

My figures were nothing to do with claiming benefits and so do feature the over 50's who aren't eligible to.

LadyMissA

drwho2011 wrote: »

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/MoneyTaxAndBenefits/BenefitsTaxCreditsAndOtherSupport/Illorinjured/DG_10018978

This part will apply based on what you've said.

Help if you're on a low income

NHS Low Income Scheme


If none of the above apply and you're on a low income you may be able to get help through the NHS Low Income Scheme.
The amount of help you get will depend on the amount of income you have. You may not be entitled to any help if your savings are above the limits shown below.
You can't get help if:

• you live permanently in a care home and have £23,250 in property, savings or other money
• you, or your partner or civil partner together have £16,000 in property (excluding the place where you live), savings or other money

They will access your circumstances and likely send you a HC2 exemption certificate.

too late now as been out of work longer than 6 mths so get it but have to call to get a letter saying I am on income based jsa or i cant go to the dentist

dandelionclock30

According to the National Office of statistics its 2.67 million on JSA and another 9.5 million economically inactive adults also.These are those who are not claiming for whatever reason e.g,the homeless,16-18 year olds, people living off savings or off their partner/family members etc, as well as those on sickness benefits and lone parents.

silkyuk9

I love topics like this as its sort of controversial because those who don't want a job have to defend the fact that. 'There are no jobs out there'

Yes there are jobs out there, there are jobs in very town, city across the UK. The point is, is it worth getting a job for lets say £1000 (bring home) when you are getting lets say (for arguments sake) £1000 for doing nothing? Who in their right minds wants to get up at 6am on a winters morning every day and coming home at 4pm each evening for the same amount as they get for getting up at 9-30am watching Jeremy Kyle, This Morning and Loose Women then a bit of The Real Deal before some Countdown? Unfortunately I am one of those people who get up at 6am (always been stupid ever since I left school) each day and miss a good fight at 9-30am and sexual topic a little later and and missing out on Lisa Maxwell and scoffing at David Dickenson but then getting cramp watching Countdown. However, the wage I receive (I'm a low earner, according to government statistics because I do not get an average wage of £20,000 per year) is more then freebies because again due to my stupidity I got the snip when i was 30ish years old. So I have to grin and bare the fact that while its -9 outside I will be up on the front line like a silly !!!!!!.

Now, i'm not having a go at any unemployed person because theyve got the brains, theyve worked out whats what and made it a good income, again i'm not having a go because its me thats the silly !!!!!!!

Ok getting back to the job front. Ive had a quick look at the job centre site for my area, yep lots of jobs, let me tell you how many. ive stopped counting at 50 that a 20 mile radius from my small town up north. Lets see whats on offer shall we?

TEA SHOP FRONT OF HOUSE WAITER/WAITRESS
Teacher (Nursery Year 2)
TRAINEE CARE ASSISTANT
ADVERTISING SALES
AERIAL & SATELLITE INSTALLER
SUPPORT WORKER

The list goes on

Why are there so many jobs on offer? surely theres lots of people out there looking for work? The fact is people (not everyone) do not want to work as a care assistant for £6 per hour wiping bums for £250 per week when they can get this doing nothing. Also there is another issue here, people cannot afford to work for £6 per hour because they lose all there other benefits, housing, car, council tax, presrciptions, dentist, school meals, theatre tickets., etc etc. We are in a viscious circle and the system is too easy to abuse. There are thousands of people out there claiming illegially, bad back, then playing golf, needs a knee replacement but runs marathons, etc etc.

There are plenty of jobs out there but its too warm in bed on a winters morning (this does not apply to everyone)

LadyMissA

silkyuk9 wrote: »

I love topics like this as its sort of controversial because those who don't want a job have to defend the fact that. 'There are no jobs out there'

Yes there are jobs out there, there are jobs in very town, city across the UK. The point is, is it worth getting a job for lets say £1000 (bring home) when you are getting lets say (for arguments sake) £1000 for doing nothing? Who in their right minds wants to get up at 6am on a winters morning every day and coming home at 4pm each evening for the same amount as they get for getting up at 9-30am watching Jeremy Kyle, This Morning and Loose Women then a bit of The Real Deal before some Countdown? Unfortunately I am one of those people who get up at 6am (always been stupid ever since I left school) each day and miss a good fight at 9-30am and sexual topic a little later and and missing out on Lisa Maxwell and scoffing at David Dickenson but then getting cramp watching Countdown. However, the wage I receive (I'm a low earner, according to government statistics because I do not get an average wage of £20,000 per year) is more then freebies because again due to my stupidity I got the snip when i was 30ish years old. So I have to grin and bare the fact that while its -9 outside I will be up on the front line like a silly !!!!!!.

Now, i'm not having a go at any unemployed person because theyve got the brains, theyve worked out whats what and made it a good income, again i'm not having a go because its me thats the silly !!!!!!!

Ok getting back to the job front. Ive had a quick look at the job centre site for my area, yep lots of jobs, let me tell you how many. ive stopped counting at 50 that a 20 mile radius from my small town up north. Lets see whats on offer shall we?

TEA SHOP FRONT OF HOUSE WAITER/WAITRESS
Teacher (Nursery Year 2)
TRAINEE CARE ASSISTANT
ADVERTISING SALES
AERIAL & SATELLITE INSTALLER
SUPPORT WORKER

The list goes on

Why are there so many jobs on offer? surely theres lots of people out there looking for work? The fact is people (not everyone) do not want to work as a care assistant for £6 per hour wiping bums for £250 per week when they can get this doing nothing. Also there is another issue here, people cannot afford to work for £6 per hour because they lose all there other benefits, housing, car, council tax, presrciptions, dentist, school meals, theatre tickets., etc etc. We are in a viscious circle and the system is too easy to abuse. There are thousands of people out there claiming illegially, bad back, then playing golf, needs a knee replacement but runs marathons, etc etc.

There are plenty of jobs out there but its too warm in bed on a winters morning (this does not apply to everyone)

Does not apply to me but what have written here EVERYONE probably thinks of the unemployed and it's not fair.

Derivative

LadyMissA wrote: »

how is £67.50 too high??? I live in Essex and a bed sit here is £600-£700 a month so have no idea how people on NMW live to be honest.

£67.50 is a fabrication, a false number, a strawman and I would be very grateful if we could debate based on facts.

£67.50 is the Over 25 Jobseeker's Allowance rate. One of the benefits that people are eligible to claim, unless they have significant savings or income - in which case they do not need the benefit payments to begin with.

On the bedsit front: You choose to live in Essex, and you pay the prices there as a result. in my local area, you can get flats or 2 beds for less than £400pm.

I am likely going to be moving down to London in a few years. Rents are expensive. So I am going to become a lodger. Because as a freely willed human being, I have the ability to make the choice not to spend >50% of my pay on housing. To do so when other options are available is ludicrous in my view.

falko89 wrote: »

I don't live in London and I don't agree, the cost of living is to high, thats the issue. There is such a things as a living wage, the NMW doesn't come close, if it did there would be no need for tax credits to bump wages up.

The cost of living is too high precisely because of benefit payments. Taking Housing Benefit and WTC as two examples:

1. employers can afford to pay less because people have their wages topped up
2. stores can charge more for basic necessities such as food, because people have more money
3. landlords can charge more for rent as there are people able to afford it - basic economics tells us that if HB were withdrawn, many landlords would have to drop rents rapidly or simply not rent out the home any more

People too easily forget that we do not live in a static economy - policies have knock on effects. Housing Benefit has had the effect of pumping up rents, I can say that for a fact.

The effects of WTC, Child Benefit and others are on more shaky ground, but it is clearly obvious that they must have had some effect.

Give people more money and they will spend more money, pushing up the prices of goods - those on benefits are denied savings due to capital limits.

LadyMissA

Derivative wrote: »

£67.50 is a fabrication, a false number, a strawman and I would be very grateful if we could debate based on facts.

£67.50 is the Over 25 Jobseeker's Allowance rate. One of the benefits that people are eligible to claim, unless they have significant savings or income - in which case they do not need the benefit payments to begin with.

No £67.50 is a FACT. I have no savings and can ONLY claim £67.50. It is the ONLY benefit I can claim so do not say that benefit is too high when you assume we all get £100's!!! That's is first not true and not fair!