Primary school putting kids "in the naughty corner" if they need the toilet

milliebear00001

When you say your DD was made to 'clean up', are you sure she didn't think you meant herself rather than the chair/floor?

I find it very difficult to believe she would be asked to clean a chair or floor herself after an accident. Firstly, because a very young child wouldn't be able to use the products required to clean up urine - very strict rules about chemical cleaners, access to them and usage in classrooms; secondly, because she wouldn't do an adequate job; thirdly, because almost all Y1 classes will have a TA in the room, and so this would usually (unfortunately!) be his/her job; fourthly, because it's highly unlikely such a young child would be treated so harshly for a wetting accident, which in Reception and Y1 are reasonably commonplace.

Sparklyfairy

She cleaned it up with a disposable towel from the toilets. No chemical cleaners were used by her. She changed herself with the spare clothes she was given by the teacher - no TA involved. Who knows if the TA later cleaned the chair with chemicals? SHE WAS MADE TO CLEAN THE BULK OF IT HERSELF.

Millie - what is your point? Are you calling me a liar? Perhaps what you stated happens in YOUR class - but it isn't happening in my daughters!! And no, we are not the family with the child that had cancer, (Liberty I believe). Clearly a coincidence. This is happening on a much larger scale than you care to recognise. Therefore I'd appreciate it if your posts contained helpful information rather than the accusing tone you have supplied here...

Sparklyfairy

Eager_Elephant wrote: »

I thought this was about my daughters school until you mentioned the head was female.

My daughter is 9 and her school have a new rule and you are not allowed to use the loo except at break times, my daughter has had a few leaks and I feel I should go to the school but she does not want me to cause a fuss. She did mention that one of her friends is allowed to go whenever as she has a medical condition.

She has also been mentioning a belly ache and I am not sure if this is the start of a water infection from having to hold it all in.

My daughter has always been a thirsty child and drinks loads and if she goes to the toilet at break time but then has a drink at break time I doubt she would be able to last until the next break.

I'm glad someone mentioned on the last page about the fact that children have small bladders so how can we expect them to last as long as an adult.

I have Parents Evening this coming week so I will bring it up then.

Thanks for this..xx please let me know how you get on at Parent's Evening.

thegirlintheattic

Sparklyfairy wrote: »

She cleaned it up with a disposable towel from the toilets. No chemical cleaners were used by her. She changed herself with the spare clothes she was given by the teacher - no TA involved. Who knows if the TA later cleaned the chair with chemicals? SHE WAS MADE TO CLEAN THE BULK OF IT HERSELF.

Millie - what is your point? Are you calling me a liar? Perhaps what you stated happens in YOUR class - but it isn't happening in my daughters!! And no, we are not the family with the child that had cancer, (Liberty I believe). Clearly a coincidence. This is happening on a much larger scale than you care to recognise. Therefore I'd appreciate it if your posts contained helpful information rather than the accusing tone you have supplied here...

Maybe you should complain about hygiene as well. Bodily fluid spills are taken (and should be taken) seriously in school and need to be cleaned up ASAP with the appropriate cleaners - schools have caretakers for this. Occasionally in younger classes a TA will clean it up - but they should be wearing gloves and again using the appropriate cleaning products. This is how diseases spread! I don't want to imagine what the carpets in that classroom are like if everytime a kid wets themselves or throws up they wipe it up with just paper towels :eek:

Hanging_by_a_thread

Sparklyfairy wrote: »

Ok, this am I ask my dd who was made to clean up the wee & she told me she had to! I'm so cross it's unreal!

I have emailed the school asking for their complaints policy to be sent to me & I have also called the school nurse (off til Tues) hoping to ask her to come in & re-educate the staff on the importance of using the toilet & how to prevent urinary tract infections...

Oh my goodness that is awful OP. Your child is being treated like a puppy having its nose rubbed in its wee, to reinforce that accidents aren't appreciated.

Surely schools have caretakers/cleaners and the like to clear up sick and accidents, toilet or otherwise. They would use gloves and all manner of disinfectant so as the effected area was hygienic. Was all of this given to your child? It is humiliating that she was made to do this. If she was also given cleaning products, meant for use only by adults, surely that breaches health and safety rules.

Valli

FWIW I teach a year 3 class.

About half the kids in Y3 ask to go during lessons...
(There are about half who never ask)

How do I deal with it?

I remind the children (constantly) to use the loo at breaktime and lunchtime
I am less than pleased (and tell them I'm not pleased) if they come in from break/lunch and ask for the loo shortly after.
I don't stop them from going - I ask them to wait a 'couple of minutes'. Sometimes they come back and 'remind' me they need the loo (I haven't forgotten - sometimes, though, they seem to;))
I don't let 2 children of the same gender go at the same time. So they will be told they can go when X comes back...
Children with a diagnosed medical need don't get stopped - or even asked to wait.
And, so far, no child has had an accident in my class having asked for the loo apart from one child who had an accident who did NOT ask for the loo (and who was on medication which caused the accident).
And after that accident (and it wasn't wee) I got a bucket of hot water, with disinfectant in, and cleaned the classroom while the head had the class outside in the fresh air, because I wanted to be sure it was properly clean...although we have a caretaker she was not around at that time, she's there at the beginning and end of the day.
No child has ever wet him/herself in my class. That's the way I want it to stay!
(Mind you I also remind and remind the children to take their water bottles home to be washed and refilled with clean water every day).

Oh - and if I have a child constantly asking for the loo I mention it, discreetly, to mum (or appropriate adult) so that he/she is aware there MAY be a problem.

mumps

Nicki wrote: »

As for adults using the toilet at will at work, that depends on the job. I've never seen a newsreader interrupt the news for a loo break, a vicar interrupt a church service, a doctor leave a consultation or a barrister leave court. Shop workers aren't usually allowed to leave the shop floor and factory workers can't leave the production line. Bus and train drivers don't park up for a wee.

I haven't seen a newsreader interrupt the news for a loo break and I haven't been in court for some years but I can remember a barrister rushing in when he had been to the loo. When I had a Saturday job in a shop I was allowed to use the loo. Never worked in a factory so don't know. I have been on a bus that stopped at a cafe and the driver rushed in, I think he needed the loo but didn't actually follow him to find out. I have also seen a priest leaving a service for a loo break, but as he had terminal cancer and we all loved him it wasn't a problem. Train drivers and doctors, no I haven't. But none of those people are six and I think most of us have more bowel/bladder control as we get older (until we start our second childhoods.)

mumps

Nicki wrote: »

Did you read the context :rotfl:? My first point was that at some point children needed to start to learn to control their toileting because they would need to do so as adults. That was queried on the basis that most adults at work had ready access to the toilet, and the bit you have quoted was in response to show that isn't always the case, or even the case for th majority of the working population.

No one has come back to say at what age children should start to learn this important life skill if the consensus is that 6 is too young.

Six isn't too young to be learning but they don't need to be punished. At the end of a lesson without interruptions the teacher could tell the class they have done well, no need to punish.

Hanging_by_a_thread

Sparklyfairy wrote: »

Without giving too much away, the Head is very much old school - nearing retirement. She works very hard & does many things wonderfully. However, there have been numerous issues between her & other parents. She doesn't seem to be a people person at all & has no children of her own. I personally feel that she is a perfectionist of sorts & I also think she's feeling stressed (enrollment number are low for next reception class, surprise surprise!) & when she's stressed, she kicks up a fuss & this time it happens to be using the loo. Academically, I can't fault the school. They do many wonderful trips & activities & my kids do love it there. I would recommend this school to anyone before this happened, but now I'm not so sure. I always looked past her toughness as a drive to improving the school & never thought for a minute the kids would be made to suffer like this. If I seem to be ott about it, which it may come across like I am, I wish you could have seen my dd sobbing the other day - truly shocking - then they pass it off as "she probably has a water infection" knowing full well she clearly doesn't! Grr gets my back up!

The only bit of your post I disagree with is highlighted above. I endured a different circumstance in my early school days, to that which your daughter is coping with now. However it left me in fear of my teacher and her reactions, not just to the situation where she had responded so badly, but to day to day things. I spent most of that school year regressing because I felt unable to approach her.

For children to do well academically they need to feel comfortable physically and emotionally. The world has gone mad with political correctness, what can be said or done between adults. I think this thread has highlighted some very worrying evidence, that children are being badly treated, in a place where they should be as well looked after as if in their own homes.

Oldernotwiser

Although this wouldn't work in a school sized class of children, I used to work with 4 year olds in a small traditional nursery school where everyone was lined up at 10.00 to use the toilet and that was expected to be it until they finished their day at 12.00.

In 9 months we only had one accident.