Primary school putting kids "in the naughty corner" if they need the toilet

Sambucus_Nigra

It is quite shocking the amount of people that think the mother in this case should do nothing to prevent her child from being so petrified of asking to go to the loo that she wets herself, whilst patting themselves on the back for being oh-so-clever in pointing out that they wouldn't let children get the better of them.

GlasweJen

atrixblue.-MFR-. wrote: »

ive told my children if they refused to be allowed to go to the toilet, she is to walk out of class and go anyway, if the school wants to have a word with me about it, then i'll tell them they were breaking my childs human right to go to the toilet and i have instructed them to leave when permision is denied.

had this been the case whilst i was still in school and denied the toilet i would have walked out anyway,or if prevented from leaving (in secondary school) relieved myself on the floor (because i wouldnt have walked around all day wet and be embarressed that i have pee'd myself in class) and if i was told to clean it up i would of told the teacher "no sir/miss you stopped me going you clean it up"
again if i needed a number 2 most classes have sinks!, if not floor, toilet paper? my homework! clean it up not on your nelly you stopped me you clean it would be my definitive answer. detention expelled i hear you think, do you really thinkso when my MP hears his constituants child has had his/her human rights breached.

Are you for real? You'd actually tell your child to soil themself rather than wait 5 minutes to go to a toilet? Would it really kill your child (or the OPs child) to go in the break or hold it for 20 minutes after?

Honestly, no wonder schools turn out kids who can't read or write when you have rude brats who constantly interrupt or threaten to pee all over the place!

The human rights brigade should be lined up and shot.

aliasojo

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

It is quite shocking the amount of people that think the mother in this case should do nothing to prevent her child from being so petrified of asking to go to the loo that she wets herself, whilst patting themselves on the back for being oh-so-clever in pointing out that they wouldn't let children get the better of them.

I agree.

I also think it's quite shocking that yet again the situation can't be judged simply on it's own merits because some posters feel they know what 'usually' happens in other cases and of course (sarcasm) that means the OP's comments can't therefore simply be accepted at face value.

And name calling? Unnecessary.

OP, I think most average parents would feel as you do and would look into this further to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Teachers are on the whole very caring and committed. However they are not supreme beings who get it right on all occasions, nor do they share the same collective consciousness, individuality does play a part.

RacyRed

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

It is quite shocking the amount of people that think the mother in this case should do nothing to prevent her child from being so petrified of asking to go to the loo that she wets herself, whilst patting themselves on the back for being oh-so-clever in pointing out that they wouldn't let children get the better of them.

aliasojo wrote:

I agree.

I also think it's quite shocking that yet again the situation can't be judged simply on it's own merits because some posters feel they know what 'usually' happens in other cases and of course (sarcasm) that means the OP's comments can't therefore simply be accepted at face value.

And name calling? Unnecessary.

OP, I think most average parents would feel as you do and would look into this further to ensure it doesn't happen again.

Teachers are on the whole very caring and committed. However they are not supreme beings who get it right on all occasions, nor do they share the same collective consciousness, individuality does play a part.

Very well said by both of you.

I'm horrified to see some teachers on this thread taking the "I know best and that is that" attitude. Even at the possible cost of a child's health.

balletshoes

GlasweJen wrote: »

Are you for real? You'd actually tell your child to soil themself rather than wait 5 minutes to go to a toilet?
Would it really kill your child (or the OPs child) to go in the break or hold it for 20 minutes after?

Honestly, no wonder schools turn out kids who can't read or write when you have rude brats who constantly interrupt or threaten to pee all over the place!

The human rights brigade should be lined up and shot.

I don't know many 6-year olds who are able to hold it for 20 minutes once they recognise they need to go to the toilet - blimey I'm in my 40s and I'd struggle to hold it that long!

Mojisola

If children going to the toilet is disrupting the class, it could be resolved by better classroom management. Just before the children go out for breaktime, the teacher needs to remind the class to go to the toilet. As they start coming back in, the teacher should ask if anyone needs to go before lessons start. If there are a few persistent "forgetters", the teacher can encourage them in particular to use the toilets at breaktimes.

If children need the toilet at other times, it should be allowed.

See section 4 - http://dera.ioe.ac.uk/1885/1/101029schooltoiletsguidanceen.pdf

Oldernotwiser

balletshoes wrote: »

I don't know many 6-year olds who are able to hold it for 20 minutes once they recognise they need to go to the toilet - blimey I'm in my 40s and I'd struggle to hold it that long!

That's why they need to be made to/encouraged/trained to go at the appropriate times before they feel the need, which is the parents' responsibility just as much as it's the teacher's.

(Am I the only one who can remember their mother saying "well you should've gone before we came out" as a child?)

balletshoes

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

That's why they need to be made to/encouraged/trained to go at the appropriate times before they feel the need, which is the parents' responsibility just as much as it's the teacher's.

(Am I the only one who can remember their mother saying "well you should've gone before we came out" as a child?)

absolutely, agree with all of that - but I also remember being in a car on the M6 with 3 young kids in the back, and despite being encouraged to go to the toilet every time we stopped at services, at least once on the journey we'd have to stop at the very next services after a little voice in the back piped up "I need a wee" - once as we were on the exit sliproad from one set of services!

Encouragement/training yep, absolutely the way to go. Being punished at 6 years old by being put in the naughty corner for needing to go to the toilet in class - nope not the way to do it (in my opinion).

Oldernotwiser

balletshoes wrote: »

absolutely, agree with all of that - but I also remember being in a car on the M6 with 3 young kids in the back, and despite being encouraged to go to the toilet every time we stopped at services, at least once on the journey we'd have to stop at the very next services after a little voice in the back piped up "I need a wee" - once as we were on the exit sliproad from one set of services!
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Not disagreeing with you and just as a matter of interest but did your encouragement run to having them sit on the loo with pants down or just asking if the toilet was required?

balletshoes

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

Not disagreeing with you and just as a matter of interest but did your encouragement run to having them sit on the loo with pants down or just asking if the toilet was required?

in that one example, the littlest ones (my DD and my nephew, a toddler and a 4-year old) were put on the toilet by me. It was the older one, my 7-year old nephew, who piped up as we were leaving the services. He'd said he didn't need to go while we were stopped.