Primary school putting kids "in the naughty corner" if they need the toilet

make_me_wise

To be fair I dont think there is any such thing as a 'typical' teacher, nurse, banker etc. All of these are professions not personality traits. People are attracted into these proffessions from all walks of life and backgrounds. They may recieve similar training but how they carry out their role will be as individual as the person themselves.

I think Millie expressed surprise at a child being asked to clear up a toilet accident. I found this extremely surprising too, and depressing. I have taught for 15 years and in that time children have had toilet accidents, been sick, had bad nose bleeds etc in my class. When this has happened I have moved the class away from the vicinity and either quickly arranged for our caretaker to clear it up or done it myself once another adult was found to care for the class.

Of course if your child was made to clean this is not acceptable and you need to address this with the school. As any naturally concerned parent would.

There are bad apples in every proffession. Maybe I have been very lucky but the teachers I have worked with are dedicated to the care, pastoral and educationally, of the children they teach. They would not want to upset or humiliate a child. Part of the joy of my job is seeing the growth academically, emotionally and socially of my class over the year they are with me.

I hope you manage to resolve this problem OP.

thatgirlsam

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Not at all. I know a lot of teachers - some bad, some good, some indifferent. Some have great people skills, some have few. Rather like the entire population of the country I imagine.

It is you who are trying to say 'teachers' have something in common with each other, other than their job. I would never say this, least of all that all teachers are perfect.

I expect though, that you think having had more than 'one or two' teachers as patients makes you an expert on their 'type', as clearly you will have really got to know them in their normal capacity, rather than at their most vulnerable, under those circumstances won't you?

I wonder if you form judgements about the majority of Police officers, engineers, solicitors, builders, accountants etc etc in the same way?

I actually cannot believe you are still trying to defend this viewpoint.

Oh my goodness, you seem to be having difficulty understanding what I am saying

I am talking from personal experience

I have met and known teachers who are friends, acquaintances, patients, my children's teachers and my Ex-MIL :eek:

In my experience they are people who are used to being in control, in charge, super organised, list makers etc etc

Hope that makes it a little bit clearer for you?

milliebear00001

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Oh my goodness, you seem to be having difficulty understanding what I am saying

I am talking from personal experience

I have met and known teachers who are friends, acquaintances, patients, my children's teachers and my Ex-MIL :eek:

In my experience they are people who are used to being in control, in charge, super organised, list makers etc etc

Hope that makes it a little bit clearer for you?

:T

Oh I'm so sorry, I obviously completely misread what you were insinuating there!:rotfl:

Got a pile of books to mark, so I'll leave things there I think.

thatgirlsam

milliebear00001 wrote: »

:T

Oh I'm so sorry, I obviously completely misread what you were insinuating there!:rotfl:

Got a pile of books to mark, so I'll leave things there I think.

:rotfl::rotfl:

Ok, have fun :cool:

make_me_wise

thatgirlsam wrote: »

In my experience they are people who are used to being in control, in charge, super organised, list makers etc etc

Blimey I wish I was some of the above, after being a teacher for so long. It would certainly make my time at home raising my newborn twins a hell of alot easier now

As it is my little girls appear to be in charge/control. If super organised means being able to get out the door by 2pm with all of us dressed then I can . As for making lists, I just dont have the time.

I never have been like that, just a go with the flow kind of person. Teachers have to be adaptable more than anything. You can draw up lesson plans and then have to adapt them over and over because a class hasn't grasped the concept. Being as you describe above would not work long term for a teacher. They would be tripping themselves up all over the place.

Oldernotwiser

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Don't you think that might be a bit of a myth and stereotype? Much the same as the archetypal 'saintly, kind, patient' nurse, perhaps?

I thought that the stereotype of nurses was randy and easy.;)

(Apologies to the nurses.)

Hanging_by_a_thread

Oldernotwiser wrote: »

I thought that the stereotype of nurses was randy and easy.;)

(Apologies to the nurses.)

No thats air hostesses :rotfl:

Oldernotwiser

Hanging_by_a_thread wrote: »

No thats air hostesses :rotfl:

Definitely nurses; that's why clubs have cheap entry for them on mid week nights.

thegirlintheattic

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Oh my goodness, you seem to be having difficulty understanding what I am saying

I am talking from personal experience

I have met and known teachers who are friends, acquaintances, patients, my children's teachers and my Ex-MIL :eek:

In my experience they are people who are used to being in control, in charge, super organised, list makers etc etc

Hope that makes it a little bit clearer for you?

I'm sorry but I have to interject here - stereotypes are wrong! I know teachers who are as you describe - I also know myself, I don't do lists, hate being in charge, am very shy and quiet and you just have to look at my house to know I'm not very organised. I'm more of a laid-back, happy go lucky type of person. I know teachers who are people people and those who lack social skills. Those who rule with an iron fist and those who take a more democratic approach.

Similarly not all tax people are miserable, tightwads. Not all nurses are lovely, caring people (in my experience those are few and far between); not all McDonalds workers are stupid and not all doctors are smart. A person is not defined by their profession - many personalities can be found in all professions.

Also your stereotypes are not helpful to the OP, nor do they contribute to the discussion.

OP - you need to complain about the policy in a calm manner. If the head doesn't listen then write a letter - just stating the facts - and forward to the LEA and the governors. State that you would appreciate a response within x number of days. I would also complain about your daughter being made to clean up the urine herself - this is NOT standard practice and just mopping up with paper towels, without any gloves is against NHS guidelines for infection control in schools.

I would also be very clear about what you are complaining about. Correct me if I'm wrong but your DD was not refused permission to go to the toilet, was punished then wet herself but was too scared to ask and so wet herself. You need to make sure your letter is complaining about the POLICY (mentioning that it made your daughter scared etc.) rather than focusing on the incident itself otherwise the issue is likely to be misunderstood.

atrixblue.-MFR-.

i could tell you what happened to my friends daughter whilst at school, she has kidney function and bladder probels, school well aware of it and all class teachers, they stopped her fom going to the toilet, wich inturn caused a infection to her kidneys wich landed her up in hospital they were debating whether to put her on dialasys for the first evertime because the infection was so bad and her kidneys not functioning properly, lucky enough she recovered after intense antibiotics and now doesnt have to have dialesys at this moment in her life, i was discovered that the svchool always prevented her going to the loo like everyother child in class and school, and the final diagnosis after the child spoke out about being prevented from using the toilet at school was the school had a majour part to play in the chi8lds hospitalizasion so with that the parent social sevices (care worker) visited the school's headmistress, it was discovered it was school policy not to allow a child during lessons to go to the loo, social services pointed out that it was a breach of human right to stop ANY child from relieving themselfs, and in this case causes a child pain and suffering knowing her condition, social services wanred the head that she would pass her findings onto the LEA and ofstead(as the decision on this policy was jointly school and governors) the head told her that as of from then on that policy would be scrapped.

ive told my children if they refused to be allowed to go to the toilet, she is to walk out of class and go anyway, if the school wants to have a word with me about it, then i'll tell them they were breaking my childs human right to go to the toilet and i have instructed them to leave when permision is denied.

had this been the case whilst i was still in school and denied the toilet i would have walked out anyway,or if prevented from leaving (in secondary school) relieved myself on the floor (because i wouldnt have walked around all day wet and be embarressed that i have pee'd myself in class) and if i was told to clean it up i would of told the teacher "no sir/miss you stopped me going you clean it up"
again if i needed a number 2 most classes have sinks!, if not floor, toilet paper? my homework! clean it up not on your nelly you stopped me you clean it would be my definitive answer. detention expelled i hear you think, do you really thinkso when my MP hears his constituants child has had his/her human rights breached.

i hope it dont come to this with my children in their school, i would take it to the head, if the head started laughing and screaming in my face, i'd take it way further.

no children especially nursery should be prevnted from using the loo it can cause problems with toileting at home, like it did with my child but was stumped straight in the backside when i seen the head teacher, nursery kids have not long been toilet trained to use a proppper loo preventing them is opening a hole can of worms for the parents back athome.

and to add writing the childs name on the board or put in the naughty corner asking for the toilet is victimisation and bullying, i catch any teacher doing that to my child i'll go to the ends of the earch to make sure that teacher doesnt teach again, make my child clean it up after refusing to let them go after the embarresment and humilliation i'd probably sue the school for bullying a child and victimisation. make sure the media are involved and everyother person in the world know about it.