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clemmatis

Brassedoff wrote: »

I would emphatically say DLA(Motability) not be converted into a vehicle, the kids would have assistance via an escorted bus/taxi to and from School and for treatment. Care allowance be paid only material assistance and in the form of vouchers, removing any cash from the equation.

By doing the above, you remove all financial motivation for “exaggerating” and guarantee the treatment is given at the “coal face” in a manner of speaking. I would do this for some other mental illnesses in adults too, depression would be a principal case. Why do this for mental illnesses and not cases of physical disabilities? Simple, you cannot face being in a wheelchair, on crutches or missing limbs. On the physical side I would say those with glass backs or without a full medical (Consultant and not ATOS) proving the disability the DLA/PIP should not be paid. GP’s, Physio’s or OT reports should carry no weight.

How many people with depression, do you think, get any benefits at all?

What do you mean by "you cannot face ..."? If you mean "being on crutches is worse than being bi-polar", well, I've had friends who'd disagree. But two can't say so now: they killed themselves. So I'll disagree for them.

24skins

Several of my teaching colleagues have children with AS and the Head of Policy & Planning for Education (a former teacher & headteacher with 40 years experience) has a grown up son with ADHD - I'd *love* to see their reactions if you suggested their children's neurological disorders could be cured with parenting classes.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

pacmum

we weren't allowed ANY diagnosis until last year because we were 'coping' ... yes, I have that in writing ... 'unwilling to make a formal diagnosis at this time because his parents are coping'. Our son is now 14, as it turns out he has a rare congenital brain abnormality, and amongst his many comorbids are ADD, ASD, dyspraxia, mild CP and specific learning disabilities. He's not naughty, but he does need someone else to keep a lid on him constantly.

Unless someone can build him the bit of brain that is missing (I'm working on an Iphone app to do some of it, can't see the NHS providing that), there is no treatment. He doesn't qualify for transport because he can find his own way to school eventually (last time he tried he was 3 hours late because the bus stopped 100 metres after his stop, he got lost and ended up on a motorway slip road). He doesn't quailfy for physio because his contractures aren't bad enough yet, we do it ourselves instead so they won't get bad enough. We tell him to eat and drink (he doesn't feel hunger), we check him for injuries (he doesn't feel pain), we manage his toileting and clean up afterwards.

I gave up a senior management position in IT 7 years ago to work from home. I'm educated, I have a maths degree. We're a 'poorer family' *because* of our son's disabilities, not the other way round. We've done the parenting classes ... the best bit of advice was to pump him full of laxatives and let him crap himself at school so he'd learn quickly not to do it again ... he did do it again, and again and still hasn't learnt. The last few times we've met professionals, they've been the ones asking us how we cope, not the other way round.

I'd happily go back to full time work *if* my son would actually receive the care he needs to make his life worthwhile. His basic needs could be met with a feeding tube, catheter, enema tube and wheelchair, then he'd need only a few hours care each day but I will fight with every bone in my body to make sure he's not left to rot in an institution. I could use the £200 a week we receive because of his disabilities (HRC, LRM, CA, CTC) to pay for someone else to provide his care needs ... except nobody wants to work for £1.45 an hour (less expenses not plus). Financial motivation? LOL, because £1.45 an hour and days spent cleaning up !!!! is sooooooo much better than being a high rate tax payer in a job I used to love. In April our WTC will stop because I can't find time to work an extra 8 hours ... wahoooo, he'll then be worth £1.05 an hour to us!!

Conditions like these DID manifest years ago. The reduction in the number of cot deaths, the prevention of early labour and miscarriage, improved health in pregnancy, advances in neonatal care, IMO, have all contributed to a 'species' where survival of the fittest is no longer relevant. I miscarried our son's twin, my brother was a cot death statistic (weighing 7lb at 6 months old and unable to lift his head). Yes, I AM to blame for giving birth to my son, and right now we're fighting like h!!l for a referal to genetics so our older son can make an informed choice about whether he has children.

Brassedoff

clemmatis - look up the word some
24skins - Just becuase someone is a qualified teacher, does not make them qualified more than a healthcare professional who could assist them. Again, please look at the word some, not all, some
pacmum - some and I narrowed my post to the three conditions, not anything wider.

In all three instances, you have replied antagonistically to the suggestion that there are people out there who DO over egg the pudding as do others with other illnesses or conditions.

Why is there a fear that should anyone make an observation based on the overall given perception from the majority of the uninitiated or ill informed, that some look for the financial reward to be uplifted they roll out either the extreme cases or I have a friend who would react to your post, they go on the attack?

Do you not get the message that when you do this people turn off to your cause? Or do you have a condition that means you read what you want to read, or read into a post what you want?

clemmatis

Brassedoff wrote: »

clemmatis - look up the word some
.. some, not all, some

Brassedoff, look up

Brassedoff wrote: »

("some" noted) Why do this for mental illnesses and not cases of physical disabilities? Simple, you cannot face being in a wheelchair, on crutches or missing limbs.

lilly81

I'm the parent of a son with ADHD & ASD, one thing that really bugs me is parents that say their child has ADHD because they miss behave but the parents have never tried to get a diagnosise. I think that takes something away from the kids who have ADHD and do struggle.

clemmatis

Further, brassedoff,

1.

Or do you have a condition that means you read what you want to read, or read into a post what you want?

do you have a condition that prevents you writing clearly? I still don't know what "because you cannot face... " means.

See also this

Why is there a fear that should anyone make an observation based on the overall given perception from the majority of the uninitiated or ill informed, that some look for the financial reward to be uplifted they roll out either the extreme cases or I have a friend who would react to your post, they go on the attack?

it really is rather difficult to understand.

2.

In all three instances, you have replied antagonistically to the suggestion that there are people out there who DO over egg the pudding as do others with other illnesses or conditions.

And do you have a reading difficulty? I didn't mention that aspect of your post, for the very good reason that I know nothing about ADD/ADHD. I objected to your apparent trivialisation of mental illness. "Depression" unqualified, and "on crutches", are the problem here.

Just to add that the friends I mention claimed no benefits of any kind.

24skins

Brassedoff wrote: »

24skins - Just becuase someone is a qualified teacher, does not make them qualified more than a healthcare professional who could assist them. Again, please look at the word some, not all,

Are you seriously suggesting that one has to have a medical degree in order to provide appropriate parenting? If this is the case what makes you so qualified to comment, based on some voluntary work?

24skins

Having seen many kids with a range of conditions over the past 10+ years of voluntary work with kids from all backgrounds aged 3-18, I would put the following into place in all cases for children and parents. As there is a proven link that a higher proportions of claims come from poorer families1.

This is the single worst piece of referencing that I have ever seen - you have made a claim about benefit claims for children with ADHD and Asperger's Syndrome, then linked to an article about the socio-economic status of adults with mental illnesses. The article says nothing related to your original claim, let alone "proves" it.

Asperger's Syndrome is a complex neurological disorder and developmental disability - if your perception is that it's a mental illness then you should consider educating yourself before commenting further.

OneYorkshireLass

24skins wrote: »

Asperger's Syndrome is a complex neurological disorder and developmental disability - if your perception is that it's a mental illness then you should consider educating yourself before commenting further.

... and think twice before doing any more 'voluntary work' with kids with AS ...