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Daedalus

leroy28 wrote: »

yeah mwa would be the last staw for me, thats where yoo work full time for free basicly isnt it, i dont mind them saying earn youre jobseekers by working the hours for nmw, wich would be about 2 hours a day to earn youre jobseekers, but i draw the line at slavery, id sighn of or blag that im too depressed to work and all that bolloks, if that what it comes to id have no choice

Perhaps speak to the JC about educational courses? Perhaps start from year 3.

donnajunkie

leroy28 wrote: »

do you mean say that to the jobcentre advisor? ive not heard anything about having to do this but then its not like they would tell me in advance, also they would probably do it out of spite as thats what they are like, one advisor ive go at the moment is a rite !!!!!, shes completly ignorant, i tell her ive just applied for 2 driving jobs and she doesnt even listen. like doesnt even acknowledge anything i say.

like she doesnt belive me or something, really annoying she is. some of them do just love looking down on people. some are ok, though. whats yours like?

no, i mean in relation to work experience. so i mean the employer.

loony2012

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

The FOI response from the DWP (https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/167181/response/406022/attach/html/3/3121%20Response.pdf.html) clearly states that the WP is an employment measure. So redirect them to that response and, if they disagree with it, ask them to show you the specific legislation which makes it clear that the WP is not an employment measure.

I think they're just trying it on, but you need to push them to provide the exact evidence to support their argument.

Please keep us informed as this is an important one.

Here's the new Regulations that push Post Work Programmers onto MWA.

19. Given the policy intent of MWA, the following claimants must not be considered for referral to MWA:

* currently working (paid or voluntary)

* undertaking employment related study / training

* on the Work Programme

* taking part in or recently completed* a Jobcentre Plus employment-related measure (contracted or non-contracted), other than the Work Programme, aimed at helping them move closer to the labour market

(* A claimant ‘dropping-out’ of an employment measure prematurely could indicate a lack of focus and discipline on their part; it is for Advisory Teams to consider the merits of MWA referral on a case by case basis).

This guidance has been updated to clarify Work Programme completers can be referred to Mandatory Work Activity.

I hope this is helpful but if you have any queries about this letter please contact me

So what is the point in having Regulations when they will just change them each time something isn't going their way.

So tomorrow i have a meeting as they referred me back to MWA. I wouldn't mind but it's 6 weeks and kids are off and i have to use there money to feed myself on MWA lol.
I know people work in the 6 weeks but it's different between us. They are paid to work i have to "Pay to Work" I need to pay as i can't go without food/Water as it's heavy lifting furniture all day like a slave boy. I just hope to god someone drops an item on me. Destroys a few legs/arms/toes it will be all good.

mr_johnson

Hi Guys

Need your help pretty urgently!!

My 2 years pm the work program is ending this Monday. When I signed back on last week, after a work contract had ended, I was told by the adviser that I would have to go back on the WP. I requested to not be put back on the WP and instead referred to the NEA scheme. Tomorrow I am signing back on and I need to know if I can be forced to go back on the WP and for how long?
edited to add: WP has not mentioned anything about 2 years coming to an end, no exit report has been done either,

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

They cannot get access under data protection laws, which are due to get tougher in 2014/5. There's also British case law which gives you the right to show your job search activity in any way you choose. So I can't see them overcoming those two hurdles any time soon.

Do you know the name of this case?

Jerry_Mander

mr_johnson wrote: »

Do you know the name of this case?

You don't need the case, it's already in their own guidelines:

"82. We cannot specify to a JSA claimant how they provide us with records of their jobsearch activity and Universal Jobmatch will not change this – it is not therefore possible to require JSA claimants to give DWP access to their Universal Jobmatch account. "

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/165908/response/410266/attach/html/5/Chapter%2003%20Using%20Universal%20Jobmatch.pdf.html

As far as being re-referred straight back to the WP that seems very odd. I've heard of some of the providers asking jobseekers to voluntarily re-refer themselves but not the Jobcentre. You didn't unwittingly sign yourself back with the provider did you?

Jerry_Mander

loony2012 wrote: »

So what is the point in having Regulations when they will just change them each time something isn't going their way.

I'm sad but not in the least surprised loony2012. This is what they do now!

By the way, MWA can only be in four-week blocks so are you sure it's MWA you're being sent on?

Oh, and if you're lifting heavy furniture they will have to supply you with steel-capped boots under Health and Safety regs. If they haven't and refuse to you'd be well within your rights to refuse to work there, but you'd have to progress a complaint through their own complaints system.

loony2012

Jerry_Mander wrote: »

I'm sad but not in the least surprised loony2012. This is what they do now!

By the way, MWA can only be in four-week blocks so are you sure it's MWA you're being sent on?

Oh, and if you're lifting heavy furniture they will have to supply you with steel-capped boots under Health and Safety regs. If they haven't and refuse to you'd be well within your rights to refuse to work there, but you'd have to progress a complaint through their own complaints system.

Yes it's MWA i'm referred back on to. It was the start of second week i left so never actually finished the 4 weeks up.

We need some new EU rules. Stating Regulations can't be in full effect UNTIL everyone has been notified who is a client..
If they are just going to change and put into effect in seconds there really is no point having them.

I'm just waiting for them to get annoyed of been declined UJM Access and then them changing rules there too..

john539

mr_johnson wrote: »

Hi Guys

Need your help pretty urgently!!

My 2 years pm the work program is ending this Monday. When I signed back on last week, after a work contract had ended, I was told by the adviser that I would have to go back on the WP. I requested to not be put back on the WP and instead referred to the NEA scheme. Tomorrow I am signing back on and I need to know if I can be forced to go back on the WP and for how long?
edited to add: WP has not mentioned anything about 2 years coming to an end, no exit report has been done either,

If you get work while on WP, sign off then back on, you'll be referred back to WP to complete your 2 years.

donnajunkie

had first post wp appointment today. was seen 15 minutes late. they put a load of extra requirements on the jsa agreement. they added them up to 37 per week but i have looked at it at home and they missed another 4 so its 41 per week. this doesnt include any jobs i find to apply for either. they dont stipulate how many jobs i must apply for except in the part where they say a minimum of 3 specs must be done per week.
i must write to 3 employers per week.
phone at least 4 employers per week.
check ujm 7 times per week.
ask family.
look in papers.
visit 3 sites everyday.
contact 4 agencies per week.

they seemed friendly enough and i was told not to expect my next appointment until september.

Chester666666

I don't thinjk they can alter the agreement plus they are always friendly at first, once you are no longer malleable or profitable they aren't so friendly