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donnajunkie

GotToChange wrote: »

...^ I may be wrong (so can be corrected if necessary), but my understanding is that they DO NOT get a big payment when you get a job - rather after you have been in the position for two years. What I am not sure about is if this payment applies if you say, become self-employed or take a succession of temporary positions that keep you off the dole/out of their clutches for two
years total.
They do get a small (few hundred) when the individual is sent to the WP - but the rest is back-loaded.

my adviser was telling me to take any kind of short term job yesterday. so much for finding sustainable employment. if the job has to last a certain length of time she wont get a bonus either the silly cow.

donnajunkie

looby75 wrote: »

thats not how it was explained to me.

I was told that when I get a job, even if I find it off my own back the WP will phone to check that I'm still there at certain points (can't remember exactly what they were but 13 weeks rings a bell for some reason) because thats how and when they get paid.

people could refuse to give the provider details of where they are working. however despite it being annoying that they get credit they shouldnt i think its better to just let them have what they want because you could easily be back with them one day. so its probably not a good idea to annoy them.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

people could refuse to give the provider details of where they are working. however despite it being annoying that they get credit they shouldnt i think its better to just let them have what they want because you could easily be back with them one day. so its probably not a good idea to annoy them.

And it's probably not good to annoy me either and there is no law to say you have to tell anyone and since you are signing off they have no hold on you at all.

I can safely say if it was at my old company they would not take kindly to anyone from the JC or WP calling them.

GotToChange

Agreed ^. It seems a gross invasion of privacy, as do a lot of their actions.
:mad:
How would the conversation go?
"I believe that you have LadyMissA in your employ?"
"May I ask who is calling?"
"This is Advisor XX from the Work Programme."
"I'm sorry, we cannot divulge that information."
End of conversation.

I fail to see - if people DO refuse to give details of their new employment - quite how the WP providers will actually get paid?
I have a feeling that there may be some sneaky Big Brother-type actions...

....seriously though, who will be tracking people who have left the programme? How - with no information from the participant? And could that not be the downfall of the whole set-up?

LadyMissA

GotToChange wrote: »

Agreed ^. It seems a gross invasion of privacy, as do a lot of their actions.
:mad:

I fail to see - if people DO refuse to give details of their new employment - quite how the WP providers will actually get paid?
I have a feeling that there may be some sneaky Big Brother-type actions...

....seriously though, who will be tracking people who have left the programme? How - with no information from the participant? And could that not be the downfall of the whole set-up?

well since you do not need to tell the JC either and you can just sign off I am guessing the only way they can is by getting in touch with the HMRC to find out where you are working.

I would imagine they would not have the resources to do this not the right to contact the HMRC as I am sure I couldn't call them up and quote your NI number and they would tell me where you were working so if would be interesting to see how they think they could. They can't even arrange appointments and manage the work load they have so to add to it would be fun.

donnajunkie

LadyMissA wrote: »

And it's probably not good to annoy me either and there is no law to say you have to tell anyone and since you are signing off they have no hold on you at all.

I can safely say if it was at my old company they would not take kindly to anyone from the JC or WP calling them.

i agree but you need to realise you could be back there one day and they may give you a hard time if you did them out of their bonus. they wont think fair enough we didnt deserve it. of course you could say to your employer if they contact you dont tell them anything but please dont say i told you to not tell them anything.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

i agree but you need to realise you could be back there one day and they may give you a hard time if you did them out of their bonus. they wont think fair enough we didnt deserve it. of course you could say to your employer if they contact you dont tell them anything but please dont say i told you to not tell them anything.

I am not scared of someone giving me a hard time at all. They have no idea the hard time I have already gone through in the 18 mths I have been out of work and can take on anyone. They can't stop any benefits if by chance anyone does end up back there and I hope I never do as I am not a serial unemployed person so hope I never have to visit the WP once someone realises how great I am and gives me a job.

essexman77

donnajunkie wrote: »

i agree but you need to realise you could be back there one day and they may give you a hard time if you did them out of their bonus. they wont think fair enough we didnt deserve it. of course you could say to your employer if they contact you dont tell them anything but please dont say i told you to not tell them anything.

By letting these work programe providers get money for not helping you get a job your punishing others who go on these courses and the tax from your earnings is going to waste funding these stupid schemes which could be better spent on NHS or drugs for cancer patients.

donnajunkie

essexman77 wrote: »

By letting these work programe providers get money for not helping you get a job your punishing others who go on these courses and the tax from your earnings is going to waste funding these stupid schemes which could be better spent on NHS or drugs for cancer patients.

i dont see how its punishing other people who do the courses. regarding the waste of money i agree but i dont think you get how cruel and unscrupulous some of these providers can be if they decide they dont like you. you dont want to be setting yourself up for a sanction in the future.

LadyMissA

donnajunkie wrote: »

i dont see how its punishing other people who do the courses. regarding the waste of money i agree but i dont think you get how cruel and unscrupulous some of these providers can be if they decide they dont like you. you dont want to be setting yourself up for a sanction in the future.

I am sure mine don't like me already as I have challenged them on a number of things plus my letter of complaint but if they can't run the service now they won be doing it in a years time.