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GotToChange

...^ I may be wrong (so can be corrected if necessary), but my understanding is that they DO NOT get a big payment when you get a job - rather after you have been in the position for two years. What I am not sure about is if this payment applies if you say, become self-employed or take a succession of temporary positions that keep you off the dole/out of their clutches for two
years total.
They do get a small (few hundred) when the individual is sent to the WP - but the rest is back-loaded.

LadyMissA

CazGreg wrote: »

I'm sure it's been said before, but I just wanted to make something important clear again:

as soon as you are signed up to one of these Work Programmes, these so-called providers RECEIVE GENEROUS LUMP SUMS OF MONEY when you get a job - even if you got the job yourself, without any help from them! And even if you get the job early on, before you've actually done any training or anything with them - they will still be paid for 'getting you the job'! :eek:

they get the cash once you have been in the job for 2 years and not before. Something like £14k

To be honest I have no idea how anyone is going to keep track of people.

I am not sure if its just having one job in 2 years but as long as you do not claim again they get paid

LadyMissA

CazGreg wrote: »

So - make sure you DON'T sign the agreement (presented to you at the beginning) which allows them to access the details of your new employer (it definitely isn't mandatory to sign it, it won't affect you in any way).

The form you sign is for THEM to share your info with employers not the other way round.
You do not share a form with an employer to say they have to tell the WP you are working with them.

The form is like any consent form you would sign with an employement ageny allowing them to talk to employers on your behalf about you and show them your CV.

If you get a job today from an advert you saw and the WP have nothing to do with it they can not just ring up the employer and have a chat.

looby75

LadyMissA wrote: »

The form you sign is for THEM to share your info with employers not the other way round.
You do not share a form with an employer to say they have to tell the WP you are working with them.

The form is like any consent form you would sign with an employement ageny allowing them to talk to employers on your behalf about you and show them your CV.

If you get a job today from an advert you saw and the WP have nothing to do with it they can not just ring up the employer and have a chat.

thats not how it was explained to me.

I was told that when I get a job, even if I find it off my own back the WP will phone to check that I'm still there at certain points (can't remember exactly what they were but 13 weeks rings a bell for some reason) because thats how and when they get paid.

LadyMissA

looby75 wrote: »

thats not how it was explained to me.

I was told that when I get a job, even if I find it off my own back the WP will phone to check that I'm still there at certain points (can't remember exactly what they were but 13 weeks

rings a bell for some reason) because thats how and when they get paid.

how are they going to know you are there?

When you sign off you do not have to say where you are going to work. Do you think they are going to have the time to chase up everyone.

I am planning to withdraw my consent as soon as I get a job so they can not hold my CV or info on me but then again I stress I have no given consent to them to contact any employer once I get a job.

Did you sign a form saying once you get a job they can contact the employer? Has the employer given consent for the WP to contact them? I doubt it as we haven't got the job yet so they can't really do that.

It's very unprofessional and could hinder your chances at the company.

looby75

LadyMissA wrote: »

how are they going to know you are there?

When you sign off you do not have to say where you are going to work. Do you think they are going to have the time to chase up everyone.

I am planning to withdraw my consent as soon as I get a job so they can not hold my CV or info on me but then again I stress I have no given consent to them to contact any employer once I get a job.

Did you sign a form saying once you get a job they can contact the employer? Has the employer given consent for the WP to contact them? I doubt it as we haven't got the job yet so they can't really do that.

It's very unprofessional and could hinder your chances at the company.

I see your point and I also am planning to withdraw consent when I get a job, I don't want the WP hassling my employer.

It would seem that the wp really really hasn't been thought out at all has it. The providers are trying to make out you have no choice but to supply them with your employers details so a lot of people will.

LadyMissA

looby75 wrote: »

I see your point and I also am planning to withdraw consent when I get a job, I don't want the WP hassling my employer.

It would seem that the wp really really hasn't been thought out at all has it. The providers are trying to make out you have no choice but to supply them with your employers details so a lot of people will.

you do not have to tell anyone where you are working as when you sign off you can just sign off and the employers details are as they say only for statistical purposes.

No one has given consent to contact a new employer if they have had nothing to do with the role in the first place. Would be a bit different if the WP found the role for you and you got the job but not if you found it yourself.

looby75

LadyMissA wrote: »

you do not have to tell anyone where you are working as when you sign off you can just sign off and the employers details are as they say only for statistical purposes.

No one has given consent to contact a new employer if they have had nothing to do with the role in the first place. Would be a bit different if the WP found the role for you and you got the job but not if you found it yourself.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:can't see that happening, not from my experiences with them so far anyway, they are doing NOTHING to help me. Once every few weeks I have to go into their offices to do an hours jobsearch on their computers. They don't even have any of the job sites booklisted on the computers you have to remember them all off the top of your head. Luckily I have a book with all the sites I use written down in it (an advisor at the JC once asked me to list them all as proof I was looking for work) and I had that with me.

imatt

looby75 wrote: »

thats not how it was explained to me.

I was told that when I get a job, even if I find it off my own back the WP will phone to check that I'm still there at certain points (can't remember exactly what they were but 13 weeks rings a bell for some reason) because thats how and when they get paid.

Well you could tell them to....ahem....fornicate off!

Two things do spring to mind however. Firstly, are they going to contact you at home or via one's workplace? If the former, then you could tell them to go away. Politely of course! If the latter, then I'm not sure many businesses will want to have A4e, G4s, Ingeus, Serco et al phoning up regularly just to keep tabs on one of their employees. They may well see it as a nuisance. With good reason.

Secondly, say you get a job at J. Bloggs & Son Ltd off your own back. Will the provider contact you there? Suppose they do. However, you see a position at ABC Industries Inc 5 or six months later offering better pay for less hours and closer to home. You apply and are taken on. Will the provider then contact your most recent employer, ABC Industries Inc?

As looby75 says, this has not been thought out!

LadyMissA

looby75 wrote: »

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:can't see that happening, not from my experiences with them so far anyway, they are doing NOTHING to help me. Once every few weeks I have to go into their offices to do an hours jobsearch on their computers. They don't even have any of the job sites booklisted on the computers you have to remember them all off the top of your head. Luckily I have a book with all the sites I use written down in it (an advisor at the JC once asked me to list them all as proof I was looking for work) and I had that with me.

see what you need to do like I have (but never been asked for it or needed to use it) is get that list on an email of all the sites you use and
1> email to your adviser
2> email it to yourself on a hotmail acct

When you go there you log in to the hotmail acct and click the links and then you do not need to write them all down