Ooooh, What happened to the KFC thread?

Shevchenko01

Azari wrote: »

Why must you racists keep bringing up something that happened over 65 years ago.

It's disgraceful!

You should be ashamed.

There are people still alive today that were abused by a small minority of Japanese, the same as there are still a small number of Japanese that were abused by the British during internment - it's still fresh.

We do hear about slavery a great deal...yet there's not one person alive today that was enslaved...or had their parents/grandparents enslaved...by any western country...

Does that make, by your definition, those black people "who keep bringing up something that happened over 165 years ago" racists?

Sad, so sad.

System

Zedicus wrote: »

Just out of interest, what is the evidence, beyond allegedly knowing a couple of Japanese, that the word is offensive? Surely if that is the case those who claim it is can provide links to where this has been stated. Otherwise we're going to end up never being able to mention anyone's nationality in case someone, somewhere, once said it was offensive.

google 'jap racist' although honestly if you aren't friends with people from Japan its not really an issue. No racist ever thinks they are in the wrong they just use terms that agree with them. Personally I've alwAys been told 'jap' is racist so I don't use the term

Azari

Shevchenko01 wrote: »

No - the "definition" is not an opinion, it's the same as the World being round...ish and 2+2=4 in pure maths...they are facts that can be right or wrong (if you say 2+2=7.62, etc). You were wrong on that fact...not on your opinions...so, please get your facts straight please.


No...read the above.

You still don't get it, do you.

You admitted that it does not have to be prosecuted as such - and it is not a court who makes that determination - so it is down to the police and or CPS to decide if there is evidence of racial motivation and act accordingly.

I imagine they get it wrong - in either direction - from time to time.

Actually, I like to debate without throwing teddy out of the cot. Your approach/method to disagreeing with with others is not that of a good debater. I am neither "mealy mouthed" nor "passive aggressive" and if you knew me outside of a debating circle, you would know this to be oh-so-true. So, please, take a tip from an earlier quote of your own..."I'd be grateful if you would refrain from lying - even if it does demonstrate your nature to others."

And yet you did lie - you siad I'd claimed to know Japanese when I had done no such thing.

Then you lied about lying.

You should be careful - anyone might get the impression that you are an habitual liar.

You are coming accross as telling people that they are wrong to believe it's racist/insulting...read your own posts!

For God's sake, try and come back to reality for a moment.

The whole point of a debate is two sides trying to convince each other and an audience that the other side is wrong.

This is where you show a remarkable degree of self serving confusion: We are having a debate but it's always me who is the one trying to tell people what to do (although I never have) or me trying to tell someone they are wrong when you and your side are doing exactly the same thing.

I have kept the same logical arguament going throughout - how is that incoherent?

Your posts are littered with incoherence.

This little masterpiece, for example: "Firstly, how can you say my opinion is wrong? Have I at any time said that you are wrong? No! I may disagree but have never said you're wrong."

You disagree but you're not saying I'm wrong. Really? :rotfl:

System

simax wrote: »

I have reported this thread as there is no value in it.

yes in Nazi Germany in 1940 there was always someone who said there was no point in standing up for equal rights and no racial discrimination

System

Leif wrote: »

I think we are all capable of reading through the thread, and seeing how often you verbally abuse others, with terms such as 'goatbreath' and so on. And saying someone is lying is confrontational. You come across as very aggressive.

I think 'GOATBREATH' is used because my userid is goater. I an honestly say I take no offence to someone I've never met commenting on my breath!

Shevchenko01

tommyknocker wrote: »

So you see that 'Jap' may or may not be interpreted as derogatory. But as long as it's socially acceptable for British people to be referred to as 'Jocks', 'Paddies', 'Taffies', and 'Brits', then no-one will tell me I can't refer to Japanese as 'Japs', Australians as 'Aussies', Americans as 'Yanks', etc, etc . . . IF I WANT TO.

I don't know about "Jocks" (although I suspect it's the same), but "Paddy" & "Taff" is not acceptable - they are both derogatory terms – ways for certain people in the UK to “look down” on other areas -a way for insignificant little people to feel they have power over others.

My arguament has been that Azari can do/say what he wants but don't tell others that they are wrong for taking a stance on something. Simple!

Leif

Shevchenko01 wrote: »

There are people still alive today that were abused by a small minority of Japanese, the same as there are still a small number of Japanese that were abused by the British during internment - it's still fresh.

Yes, it is sad that he quoted me out of context, and ignored the valid point I was making, and instead he verbally abused me. The father of my half siblings served in Palestine in ~1948. He died a few years ago, but he told me the Jews were worse than the Nazis. I'm not sure he was too keen on Israelis. I don't think he was anti-semitic, just anti-being shot at! When I was growing up, most mention of the Japanese related to the torture and mistreatment of prisoners of war. Such people are fewer and fewer in number for obvious reasons.

One point that might not have been made is that so-called anti-racists sometimes use the racism card as a means to shut down legitimate debate. Nu Labour did that a few years back. I like Anglo-Asians, but I can understand that were you working class in the 60's, and you saw lots of Indians arriving and taking British jobs, you might not be so well disposed towards them. The fact that we had a skills shortage is irrelevant to some people. I am not happy that large numbers of Indians came into this country to do software jobs, pushing down salaries, and forcing many British people (including Anglo Asians I know) into lower paid jobs. But express these legitimate views, and you get labelled a racist.

tommyknocker

As I've previously mentioned, what is perceived as racialist intones by one, is not by another. I don't personally refer to Japanese people as 'Japs' but then again I don't believe 'Jap' to be derogatory . . . and if I did refer to a Japanese person as 'Jap' then it's not for any Mary Whitehouse clone on here to tell me I'm wrong to do so - just because it doesn't agree with their moral stance.

Azari is no racialist. He is simply stating his views . . which he is quite entitled to without having a bunch of saddo's trying to ram their over the top politically correct, moralistic views down his throat.



Jap
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see JAP (disambiguation).

Jap is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese." Today it is generally regarded as an ethnic slur, although English-speaking countries differ in the degree to which they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation. In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, during and after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "Jap" as an abbreviation for "Japanese" was in colloquial use in London around 1880. An example of benign usage was the previous naming of Boondocks Road in Jefferson County, Texas, originally named "Jap Road" when it was built in 1905 to honor a popular local rice farmer from Japan.
Later popularized during World War II to describe those of Japanese descent, "Jap" was then commonly used in newspaper headlines to refer to the Japanese and Imperial Japan. "Jap" became a derogatory term during the war, more so than "Nip" . . . .

. . . . In Singapore and Hong Kong, the term is used freely as a contraction of the adjective "Japanese" rather than as a derogatory term. The Brazilian equivalent japa is also non-derogatory (although widely considered a slang term) and sometimes used in mass media and by Japanese Brazilian population itself. The Australian news service Asia Pulse also uses the term.




So you see that 'Jap' may or may not be interpreted as derogatory. But as long as it's socially acceptable for British people to be referred to as 'Jocks', 'Paddies', 'Taffies', and 'Brits', then no-one will tell me I can't refer to Japanese as 'Japs', Australians as 'Aussies', Americans as 'Yanks', etc, etc . . . IF I WANT TO.

Azari

Leif wrote: »

Nicely taken out of context. You are rude.

Shevchenko01 wrote: »

There are people still alive today that were abused by a small minority of Japanese

Can you two racists pack it in?

This is why I call people like tyou 'twerps'.

You're so bound up in your self righteous meddling in people use of words that you ignore the real hurt that you can cause by causally harping on about things which a lot of Japanese find disturbing and humiliating.

We do hear about slavery a great deal...yet there's not one person alive today that was enslaved...or had their parents/grandparents enslaved...by any western country...

Does that make, by your definition, those black people "who keep bringing up something that happened over 165 years ago" racists?

That was something that continued for many generations as an accepted and acceptable way of life by those who were abusing the human rights of the slaves.

It's hardly comparable to a six year period when the whole world went mad.

Azari

goater78 wrote: »

I think 'GOATBREATH' is used because my userid is goater. I an honestly say I take no offence to someone I've never met commenting on my breath!

And, of course, I'm not commenting on your breath. It was just a way of bringing a little humour into things.

A few months back someone did something similar with my user name. I didn't take the slightest offence but a couple of people did on my behalf.