Ooooh, What happened to the KFC thread?

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Shevchenko01 wrote: »

Couldn't quite decide...in who's defence? And who's called you a lot of names? I hope it wasn't me, as that really is not my style.

Not you it's the other guy who has called me many abusive terms because I don't think it's socially acceptable to refer to a person from Japan as a "jap"

Leif

Azari wrote: »

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In contrast, there is no tradition of people in this country being unpleasant or racist to the Japanese (beyond xenophobes who are equally unpleasant to most foreigners) and hence there is no reason to suppose that a simple abbreviation should be considered racist.

I suspect you are mistaken, possibly because you are young(ish). You must be aware that we fought a war against the Japanese, and that their treatment of prisoners was appalling. I believe that Japanese citizens in Britain were interned during WW2. There was a lot of hatred of the Japanese among those who suffered at their hands, and their relatives.

On a related note, I was always surprised at Alan Coren, a boring man who sounded dreadfully xenophobic, and routinely referred to 'krauts' and 'frogs' in derogatory terms. I was always surprised that he was allowed to get away with xenophobic rants.

Azari

Leif wrote: »

Irrespective of who is right and who is wrong, you are pretty offensive. Using terms like 'goatbreath' and 'demonstrates your dishonesty and/or muddled thinking' are very confrontational, and frankly out of order.

So now you can't argue your case you're starting with the ad hominems.

When someone lies to try and make their point by lying I'm perfectly entitled to point it out.

Incidentally, there is now legislation in the workplace that says that if someone perceives a remark about someone to be racist, it must be investigated, and that caused a lot of fear in my workplace.

Maybe the people in your workplace should lay off the racist remarks.

Actually, you are just proving my case. When you get to the stage that any word has to be considered racist even if there is no evidence that it has ever been racist and you are fearful because anyone can point the finger and start a witch hunt you know things have gone too far.

Azari

Leif wrote: »

You must be aware that we fought a war against the Japanese, and that their treatment of prisoners was appalling.

Why must you racists keep bringing up something that happened over 65 years ago.

It's disgraceful!

You should be ashamed.

Shevchenko01

Azari wrote: »

You've already contradicted yourself.
I suppose I'm not surprised that you aren't even aware of the fact.

No - the "definition" is not an opinion, it's the same as the World being round...ish and 2+2=4 in pure maths...they are facts that can be right or wrong (if you say 2+2=7.62, etc). You were wrong on that fact...not on your opinions...so, please get your facts straight please.

Azari wrote: »

Jeez, you are confused, aren't you.

No...read the above.

Azari wrote: »

You disagree with me but you don't say I'm wrong.

With that mealy mouthed, passive aggressive, attitude no wonder you want to jump on every available PC bandwagon going.

Actually, I like to debate without throwing teddy out of the cot. Your approach/method to disagreeing with with others is not that of a good debater. I am neither "mealy mouthed" nor "passive aggressive" and if you knew me outside of a debating circle, you would know this to be oh-so-true. So, please, take a tip from an earlier quote of your own..."I'd be grateful if you would refrain from lying - even if it does demonstrate your nature to others."

Azari wrote: »

You think the term is racist and shouldn't be used.

I don't think it's racist and believe people should be free to use it if they wish.

And yet in your poor addled brain I'm the one whose telling people what to do.

You are coming accross as telling people that they are wrong to believe it's racist/insulting...read your own posts!

Azari wrote: »

You need to take a step back and get your ideas sorted out because at the moment you're barely coherent.

Really? Is that the best you can do? I have kept the same logical arguament going throughout - how is that incoherent? Or do you now decide what is/isn't coherent also?

Zedicus

Just out of interest, what is the evidence, beyond allegedly knowing a couple of Japanese, that the word is offensive? Surely if that is the case those who claim it is can provide links to where this has been stated. Otherwise we're going to end up never being able to mention anyone's nationality in case someone, somewhere, once said it was offensive.

Leif

Azari wrote: »

Maybe the people in your workplace should lay off the racist remarks.

Actually, you are just proving my case. When you get to the stage that any word has to be considered racist even if there is no evidence that it has ever been racist and you are fearful because anyone can point the finger and start a witch hunt you know things have gone too far.

I don't agree that I am proving your point, but there was very real fear, because one person tried to use the so-called anti-racism legislation to pursue his own agenda. And yes I do agree that things have gone too far.

I'm not sure 'Jap' is racist, but I would consider it rude and best avoided. That is no more than my personal view.

tommyknocker

As I've previously mentioned, what is perceived as racialist intones by one, is not by another. I don't personally refer to Japanese people as 'Japs' but then again I don't believe 'Jap' to be derogatory . . . and if I did refer to a Japanese person as 'Jap' then it's not for any Mary Whitehouse clone on here to tell me I'm wrong to do so - just because it doesn't agree with their moral stance.

Azari is no racialist. He is simply stating his views . . which he is quite entitled to without having a bunch of saddo's trying to ram their over the top politically correct, moralistic views down his throat.



Jap
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For other uses, see JAP (disambiguation).

Jap is an English abbreviation of the word "Japanese." Today it is generally regarded as an ethnic slur, although English-speaking countries differ in the degree to which they consider the term offensive. In the United States, Japanese Americans have come to find the term controversial or offensive, even when used as an abbreviation. In the past, Jap was not considered primarily offensive; however, during and after the events of World War II, the term became derogatory.

According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "Jap" as an abbreviation for "Japanese" was in colloquial use in London around 1880. An example of benign usage was the previous naming of Boondocks Road in Jefferson County, Texas, originally named "Jap Road" when it was built in 1905 to honor a popular local rice farmer from Japan.
Later popularized during World War II to describe those of Japanese descent, "Jap" was then commonly used in newspaper headlines to refer to the Japanese and Imperial Japan. "Jap" became a derogatory term during the war, more so than "Nip" . . . .

. . . . In Singapore and Hong Kong, the term is used freely as a contraction of the adjective "Japanese" rather than as a derogatory term. The Brazilian equivalent japa is also non-derogatory (although widely considered a slang term) and sometimes used in mass media and by Japanese Brazilian population itself. The Australian news service Asia Pulse also uses the term.




So you see that 'Jap' may or may not be interpreted as derogatory. But as long as it's socially acceptable for British people to be referred to as 'Jocks', 'Paddies', 'Taffies', and 'Brits', then no-one will tell me I can't refer to Japanese as 'Japs', Australians as 'Aussies', Americans as 'Yanks', etc, etc . . . IF I WANT TO.

Leif

Azari wrote: »

So now you can't argue your case you're starting with the ad hominems.

When someone lies to try and make their point by lying I'm perfectly entitled to point it out.

I think we are all capable of reading through the thread, and seeing how often you verbally abuse others, with terms such as 'goatbreath' and so on. And saying someone is lying is confrontational. You come across as very aggressive.

Leif

Azari wrote: »

Why must you racists keep bringing up something that happened over 65 years ago.

It's disgraceful!

You should be ashamed.

Nicely taken out of context. You are rude.