e petition asking for internet constrols on !!!!!! etc

Humphrey10

bobajob_1966 wrote: »

Oh my goodness, self satisfaction by artificial means ... 'Tis the work of the devil!

pmsl I wonder what is more 'evil', with or without 'toys'?

Also, is it only wrong/bad/evil/unchristian/devil worshipping to pleasure yourself by hand? If you are married to someone of the opposite sex, are you 'allowed' to use your hands? What about your mouth? Or are you only allowed to use your genitals?

They didn't go into all this stuff during RE at school, maybe they should do, with pictures and diagrams etc. That would have made the lessons much more interesting.

suki1964

Humphrey10 wrote: »

pmsl I wonder what is more 'evil', with or without 'toys'?

Also, is it only wrong/bad/evil/unchristian/devil worshipping to pleasure yourself by hand? If you are married to someone of the opposite sex, are you 'allowed' to use your hands? What about your mouth? Or are you only allowed to use your genitals?

They didn't go into all this stuff during RE at school, maybe they should do, with pictures and diagrams etc. That would have made the lessons much more interesting.

I guess toys are ok as long as Im not looking at any !!!!!! sites

Torry_Quine

MissMitch wrote: »

Wow! Ok, we're about as polar opposite as two humans can get, so I'm not going to even bother to try and persuade you of the world of wonders that can be experienced thanks to the Handbag Hercules :rotfl:. However, what is your particular issue with masturbation? Is it that it's not going to lead to procreation? Or that it is dirty? Is it on religious grounds? I'm just asking because I'm genuinely curious and trying to understand your pov.

I can fully accept that the principles by which I and others live our lives is hard for others to understand.

It's entirely because it removes sex from where it belongs which is not about giving yourself pleasure but in the relationship between the couple.

'handbag hercules' !!

Purbeck wrote: »

no they don't 'have' to be acted upon...but that is easy to say if you are in a long term relationship (and it continues until one is not that interested anyway)...but what would you say to a young woman who has lost the love of her life and cannot ever see herself marrying again? Surely it is not that easy to, as I said, sublimate what is a natural urge? It isn't impossible of course..but beyond 'most' of us.

If someone loses their spouse that is indeed a tragedy but that does not change what is right and wrong.

Humphrey10 wrote: »

Wow... just wow...

You are allowed to have your opinion as am I.

bobajob_1966

Humphrey10 wrote: »

pmsl I wonder what is more 'evil', with or without 'toys'?

Also, is it only wrong/bad/evil/unchristian/devil worshipping to pleasure yourself by hand? If you are married to someone of the opposite sex, are you 'allowed' to use your hands? What about your mouth? Or are you only allowed to use your genitals?

They didn't go into all this stuff during RE at school, maybe they should do, with pictures and diagrams etc. That would have made the lessons much more interesting.

I find without toys more evil, sometimes it can be so frustrating just to get to that ... You know!

I used to know a man that could pleasure himself with his mouth ... Now that was impressive!

bobajob_1966

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I can fully accept that the principles by which I and others live our lives is hard for others to understand.

It's entirely because it removes sex from where it belongs which is not about giving yourself pleasure but in the relationship between the couple.

'handbag hercules' !!



If someone loses their spouse that is indeed a tragedy but that does not change what is right and wrong.



You are allowed to have your opinion as am I.

You have still not elaborated on who decides what is right and wrong - is this some law that I have missed?

Torry_Quine

jamespir wrote: »

I disagree you come across as someone whos been brainwashed either that or your just a bigot

I could say the same about you.;)

Purbeck wrote: »

Tbh that is not the same, it's a bit like saying you never thought much about eating chocolate before you first tasted it... it's much more difficult to give it up when you know how good it is!

I can only give you my experience as is. I did not have any sexual experience before marriage.

bobajob_1966 wrote: »

Which would imply that the OP's suggestion that !!!!!! creates terrible pressures on young girls is absolute rubbish, would it not? You do know that !!!!!! has been around for many generations?



No, I don't know. Please do elaborate.

I am aware that it's been aware for generations but was not as easily accessible.

bobajob_1966

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I am aware that it's been aware for generations but was not as easily accessible.

So !!!!!! is not the cause of all this pressure on young girls? The same pressures have existed for generations, have they not?

EchoLocation

If I could trouble you for an answer...

Torry_Quine wrote: »

Sorry but I disagree, sex should always include a partner and one with who you have a long term committed relationship.

EchoLocation wrote: »

Give us one good reason why.

EchoLocation

bobajob_1966 wrote: »

I used to know a man that could pleasure himself with his mouth ...

Now surely that would bring up a certain moral dilemma !

System

Torry_Quine wrote: »

I can only give you my experience as is. I did not have any sexual experience before marriage.

and after marriage? should your OH have died when you were young...a lifetime of sublimation? to live like a nun? Of course as I said it is possible and your religion may well have helped you do that...