Keyboard Warrior Hits The Road....

chucknorris

ILW wrote: »

There is no point in protesting against something unless you can come up with an alternative.

It's just a form of political masturbation.

Judith: I]on Stan's desire to be a mother[/I Here! I've got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb - which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans' - but that he can have the *right* to have babies.
Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your right to have babies, brother... sister, sorry.
Reg: What's the *point*?
Francis: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his right to have babies, when he can't have babies?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.

CLAPTON

spadoosh wrote: »

What your saying is, its the the best out of a bad bunch! Not a reason for people to not protest and want change.

And i think you'll find there are other business models available just people dont get rich off them. http://www.co-operative.coop/enterprisehub/what-is-a-co-operative/

One of the best examples of what these people are protesting for.

fortunately in our system there is nothing to prevent more and more co-operatives starting up; people can then choose to use them or not.

maybe these protestors should pool their resources and start up a few co-ops
from newspaper reports (unreliable I know) many of them are the offspring of wealthy (capitalistic) parents so getting seed capital shouldn't be a problem

what about yourself ; do you work for a co-op or have started one up?

FTBFun

spadoosh wrote: »

What your saying is, its the the best out of a bad bunch! Not a reason for people to not protest and want change.

Well yes, but what to? Personally I agree there should have been better regulation of some of the banks (the whole packaging of subprime debt as something better should have some people in prison IMO)

And i think you'll find there are other business models available just people dont get rich off them. http://www.co-operative.coop/enterprisehub/what-is-a-co-operative/

One of the best examples of what these people are protesting for.

I suspect it'd be tricky to get this across the board to be honest.

The_White_Horse

they should turn the water cannons on this filth.

ILW

CLAPTON wrote: »

fortunately in our system there is nothing to prevent more and more co-operatives starting up; people can then choose to use them or not.

maybe these protestors should pool their resources and start up a few co-ops
?

It's much easier to whinge and moan about how you don't like the current system, rather than get out there and do something positive to change it. To me sitting in a tent is NOT doing something positive.

The_White_Horse

ILW wrote: »

It's much easier to whinge and moan about how you don't like the current system, rather than get out there and do something positive to change it. To me sitting in a tent is NOT doing something positive.

are you joking? there are high level meetings going on as we speak. parliament is about to announce the abolition of capitalism and democracy and the beginning of a socialist state, because some crusties are sitting in tents.

I think if we get some crusties to sit in tents protesting about cancer, there is a good chance cancer will simply leave.

Sitting in a tent is THE answer to everything. If you don't believe me, ask Gadaffi, All Fayed and Mystic Meg.

ILW

Can we arrange a protest against the weather being worse in the winter than the summer?
If enough people turn up will it be changed?

kabayiri

ILW wrote: »

There is no point in protesting against something unless you can come up with an alternative.

It's just a form of political masturbation.

I disagree.

Suppose some gifted person was able to mobilise 2 million people on Facebook to boycott Shell petrol stations.

Would it solve anything ? Not one bit.

Would it be a defining moment ? Yes. It would show that the day had arrived when new media could be used by people outside the power makers to organise a mass campaign.

Cleaver

ILW wrote: »

There is no point in protesting against something unless you can come up with an alternative. It's just a form of political masturbation.

That's a lovely soundbyte, but it simply isn't true is it? For a start, a protest may be made up of people who all have different opinions and views as to what a solution may be. Or, in this case, people simply showing that they are not happy. Why is their protest pointless because they don't have a solution to the situation we find ourselves in?

ILW wrote: »

It's much easier to whinge and moan about how you don't like the current system, rather than get out there and do something positive to change it. To me sitting in a tent is NOT doing something positive.

That's where we differ as I think peaceful protest can be positive. You only have to look at lots of examples in history to see this.

I'm going sound like a bit of a rightous tw*t now, but hopefully people will see the point I'm trying to make. At some point in the past, in some part of America, the first person (or persons) did something against racial segregation in society. They might not have had a plan, or a solution, or been organised, or even thought through what they were doing. And it may have not even been the right thing to do in terms of effectiveness or sucessful outcome. And they sure as hell didn't have the support of anyone else and people looked at them like they were mad. But they possibly did something instinctive because they felt that a situation in front of them was wrong and that they should do something, and in that situation a social movement formed because of those people. The reason is that I may sound like a tw*t is that I know you can't really compare the people who campaigned against racial segregation with people sitting inside a tent outside St Pauls, but for the purposes of your argument the ethos of both situations is somewhat linked. It's just some people doing something.

Cleaver

ILW wrote: »

Can we arrange a protest against the weather being worse in the winter than the summer?
If enough people turn up will it be changed?

That's a dumb analogy and I suspect you know that.