Keyboard Warrior Hits The Road....

spadoosh

CLAPTON wrote: »

fortunately in our system there is nothing to prevent more and more co-operatives starting up; people can then choose to use them or not.

maybe these protestors should pool their resources and start up a few co-ops
from newspaper reports (unreliable I know) many of them are the offspring of wealthy (capitalistic) parents so getting seed capital shouldn't be a problem

what about yourself ; do you work for a co-op or have started one up?

As stated earlier i cant be ar sed. So no i havent. I am aware of my social short comings and noted them before you, no need to reitterate this point. Also you been in a co-op recently?!?! there prices are extortionate!

Please know, i am not protesting or willing to, my point on being on this post was to inform people of why they are protesting and make people aware of a problem. Yes, there are problems but like i said, im not really willing to do that much about them. Weak i know, atleast i have the cojones to admit though:cool:

ILW

kabayiri wrote: »

I disagree.

Suppose some gifted person was able to mobilise 2 million people on Facebook to boycott Shell petrol stations.

Would it solve anything ? Not one bit.

Would it be a defining moment ? Yes. It would show that the day had arrived when new media could be used by people outside the power makers to organise a mass campaign.

I disagree with you, it could change things, but first you need to know what you want changing and what you want it changing to. These protests at the moment have no purpose of what they would wish to achieve or how.

ILW

Cleaver wrote: »

That's a lovely soundbyte, but it simply isn't true is it? For a start, a protest may be made up of people who all have different opinions and views as to what a solution may be. Or, in this case, people simply showing that they are not happy. Why is their protest pointless because they don't have a solution to the situation we find ourselves in?



That's where we differ as I think peaceful protest can be positive. You only have to look at lots of examples in history to see this.

I'm going sound like a bit of a rightous tw*t now, but hopefully people will see the point I'm trying to make. At some point in the past, in some part of America, the first person (or persons) did something against racial segregation in society. They might not have had a plan, or a solution, or been organised, or even thought through what they were doing. And it may have not even been the right thing to do in terms of effectiveness or sucessful outcome. And they sure as hell didn't have the support of anyone else and people looked at them like they were mad. But they possibly did something instinctive because they felt that a situation in front of them was wrong and that they should do something, and in that situation a social movement formed because of those people. The reason is that I may sound like a tw*t is that I know you can't really compare the people who campaigned against racial segregation with people sitting inside a tent outside St Pauls, but for the purposes of your argument the ethos of both situations is somewhat linked. It's just some people doing something.

The civil rihjts movement in the US had a clear aim. ie that the law should be equal whatever colour a person was. If their protest had merely been "I am black and unhappy" it would have been closer to the St Pauls lot.

spadoosh

ILW wrote: »

Can we arrange a protest against the weather being worse in the winter than the summer?
If enough people turn up will it be changed?

Very good contribution A* and a

spadoosh

ILW wrote: »

The civil rihjts movement in the US had a clear aim. ie that the law should be equal whatever colour a person was. If their protest had merely been "I am black and unhappy" it would have been closer to the St Pauls lot.

They want to get rid of capitalism. that is their aim!!!!!

ILW

Cleaver wrote: »

That's a dumb analogy and I suspect you know that.

No really, it is the equivalent of the current protests. As opposed to arguing that coats should be provided in the winter which has a point.

ILW

Cleaver wrote: »

That's a dumb analogy and I suspect you know that.

spadoosh wrote: »

They want to get rid of capitalism. that is their aim!!!!!

And replace with what?

I might even join them if they came up with a workable alternative.

The_White_Horse

these people are foolish scum. there is a solution to their protest - it is called the election. when it comes, they can form a socialist party, or vote for an existing one. if they win, hey presto - the downfall of capitalism (in this country anyway). if they lose - they can move to cuba or n. korea.

dirty filth invading the pavement I walk down on a daily basis for utter nonsense.

if they want a real protest - protest at the unfairness of a person on 40k losing child benefit but a couple on 39k each keeping it. that is well worth a protest.

TruckerT

Before I got on the train this morning, I bought the Times - half of it's front cover was devoted to a picture of the Occupy London camp, and half of the inside page was devoted to a leader about the camp. Pages 4 and 5 were devoted entirely to the protest, and there were three letters about the protest on the letters page

Whether you like it or not, this campaign is having an effect, and I don't detect much serious argument in support of the chaotic shambles which Capitalism has become

While I was at the camp, I was interviewed twice on camera - once by a Swedish news outfit, and once by a couple of UK student journalists who were doing their first bit of practical coursework

I feel as if I made some kind of contribution

I attended a 'group', but I couldn't get the hang of the system of hand signals which you have to use these days if you want permission to speak! But they are all very aware that they need to be seen to focus on a single clear issue, and the dominant theme all over the camp is 'the banks'

I made the point that they would never be in a position themselves to reform the banks, but they were playing a useful part in raising awareness. Judging by the amount of frantic hand-flapping which ensued, I think most of the group accepted my point

TruckerT

ps a highlight of the day was a superb bacon roll and large coffee for £2.69 at that well-known bastion of capitalism known as Wetherspoons - I wish the Wetherspoons around here could make bacon rolls as good as that

ILW

Still no wiser about what they want then.

Possibly more Wetherspoons?