Keyboard Warrior Hits The Road....

nearlynew

A total collapse of our current financial system and the corrupt institutions which support it is the only real solution. They know it and I know it.

They can shove their austerity, increased taxes and bailouts up their 4rse.
Ordinary people around the world are waking up to the lying and thieving that has taken place and have had enough.

The growing protests taking place around the world are evidence of this. They may not have a unified message but they all know something is wrong and change needs to come.

Eventually they will each realise that despite their defferent gripes, the root cause of their problems is the same - our corrupt debt based money system and the bank that controls it and our politicians.

Money reform is THE only sustainable, long term solution.

Cleaver

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I really have no idea what they're protesting.

Pretty sure they don't really know either.

I don't think they have a very specific reason what they are protesting about, but is that really a problem?

Mocking people who are protesting as they don't have a completely clear agenda is a bit easy really - most economic commentators and academics still seem to disagree wildy on what caused the global financial crisis and what should be done about it, so I don't know why a group of protestors should be any more clear in order to have a right to protest.

To me it seems as though there's a growing group of people out there who just seem a bit fed up. Fed up of a society that seems tipped in the balance of a minority of top tier individuals and not in favour of the masses. I'm not sure they have a solution to that, but I think these 'occupy' protests are simply a logical manifestation of a generation, or group of people, who simply feel a bit put out by the current situation we find ourselves in, and you can't blame them for that can you? Just because they don't have a 16 point plan as to how to solve things it doesn't mean they can't protest because they feel something is unjust or simply wrong.

I personally don't care all that much that they're blocking St Pauls, or that they aren't that clear in their aims, or that they have iPods, or that they sometimes go home for a shower, or that some of them are middle or upper class. It seems logical to me that a group of people are simply making a statement about the mess we're in and are raising the question that maybe some different thinking should be done, which is what all protests are about really.

Cleaver

nearlynew wrote: »

A total collapse of our current financial system and the corrupt institutions which support it is the only real solution. They know it and I know it.

The growing protests taking place around the world are evidence of this.

From what I've seen I don't think the majority of people, or even the majority f these occupy protestors, want 'a total collapse of our current financial system'. I think most people understand that we need a financial system in order for our modern world to work. They just seem to want a fairer, more sensible, more equitable and more honest and truthful financial system that doesn't screw us all over.

Pete111

nearlynew wrote: »

A total collapse of our current financial system and the corrupt institutions which support it is the only real solution. They know it and I know it.

They can shove their austerity, increased taxes and bailouts up their 4rse.
Ordinary people around the world are waking up to the lying and thieving that has taken place and have had enough.

The growing protests taking place around the world are evidence of this. They may not have a unified message but they all know something is wrong and change needs to come.

Eventually they will each realise that despite their defferent gripes, the root cause of their problems is the same - our corrupt debt based money system and the bank that controls it and our politicians.

Money reform is THE only sustainable, long term solution.

Ah good. A quick and simple fix then....:p

Sounds like what most 'ordinary people' are waking up to is that sucessive western governments have bribed them for years with promises of jam today and never ending upwards curving standards of living. Well that and the unpalatable fact that they were stupid enough to believe it.

The sooner people accept western living standards will stagnate the better. But realism is always a hard sell.

kabayiri

I'd put myself into the bracket of someone who is fed up with the constant rearranging of the deckchairs on HMS Europe. Pre-2007, when it was the banks who would have been stuffed with the losses, I could live with. But now they have dumped all the risk onto the nation states.

I do think camping outside a building is a bit 80s though. I'm sure there are other creative ways of showing unrest.

Out,_Vile_Jelly

nearlynew wrote: »

A total collapse of our current financial system and the corrupt institutions which support it is the only real solution. They know it and I know it.

May I ask what this "total collapse" would actually look like in reality? Banks burnt to the ground? All debts and all savings wiped out overnight? Currency becoming pointless? Would people have to continue paying their mortgage, or rent?

I'm too middle class to barter. Would Waitrose still be open?

Aberdeenangarse

TruckerT wrote: »

I am just an acorn

I'd heard you were nuts.

Graham_Devon

kabayiri wrote: »

I do think camping outside a building is a bit 80s though. I'm sure there are other creative ways of showing unrest.

Out of curiosity, what would you suggest? I'm quite interested in this, and would love to see other peoples views on how to best protest against something.

If they caused any kind of mass problems, they owuld be condemned.

If they caused criminal damage, they would, quite rightly, be condemned.

If they do nothing, they are condemned for wanting something but not doing anything about it.

As it is, it's quite refreshing. OK, so St Pauls cathedral suffers, but from what I have seen, St Pauls is hiding away, while the demonstrators are suggesting they are open to talks, but St pauls shuts the door in their face. Now, I'm not going to assume thats the whole truth, but I haven't seen St Paul's actually suggest anything, and they declined to be interviewed on one of the interviews I watched.

I'm not sure what protest is best now. The students ruined theirs by some getting violent. The riots were just plain silly and an excuse to create havoc. Yet these people also get condemned for being peaceful about their protests.

I feel sometimes as if people WANT people to protest so long as they agree with the cause. If they don't agree with the cause, ANY protest is wrong, and ANYONE whinging about it but not doing anything about it, is wrong. Therefore, catch22.

spadoosh

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Whatever it is they don't seem to be able to communicate it very well.

Someone here thinks they're anti-banker.

On the interview today they didn't mention banks at all. Just the Tories cutting pensions. Then went on to discuss how they were all in the tea tent after midnight. Whatever that means.

I really have no idea what they're protesting.

Pretty sure they don't really know either.

There protesting against capitalism. the majority of britains businesses and financial industries are based on capitalism, thus they are complaining accross a large spectrum, hence why you get some against banks, some pensions, some businesses etc etc. The same goes for any other "Occupy [insert capitalist centre here]"

It is very clear (at least from my point of view) why they are protesting.

For more information google "annonymous" of which a large portion of the protestors base their ideas.

wotsthat

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what would you suggest?

There are lots of other ways to protest:

- a boycotting campaign
- encouraging people to vote according to their views on this issue
- getting involved in local and national politics
- helping charities with similar special interests
- use social media to highlight the issues
- put pressure on MP's and MEP's

I don't have a problem with this particular demonstration but the participants don't seem to have articulated their aims or concerns very well.

As Cleaver says they seem a bit fed up like a lot of us. Not how they'll be any happier once this protest is finished.