Keyboard Warrior Hits The Road....

Cleaver

wotsthat wrote: »

As Cleaver says they seem a bit fed up like a lot of us. Not how they'll be any happier once this protest is finished.

My point was that the protest is a way of doing something. What else are they meant to do if they're not sure what the answer actually is? The protest may not achieve anything other than making the point that a load of people aren't happy about what's going on, which might actually be quite a useful objective. If a lot of us are fed up then it takes people who have the drive to this type of thing to do something that the rest of us can't be bothered to do.

I have been on one protest before for something I felt strongly about. I'm not sure I came away any happier or that any specific difference had been made, but I was pleased that I had made my point in some way, shape or form.

spadoosh

wotsthat wrote: »

There are lots of other ways to protest:

- a boycotting campaign Its hard to boycott capitalism
- encouraging people to vote according to their views on this issue there isnt an anti capitalist party that anyone in their right mind is willing to listen to
- getting involved in local and national politics there in london (near the heart of UKs politics)
- helping charities with similar special interests Again no anti capitalist/anti bank/ anti financial corruption charities as far as im aware
- use social media to highlight the issues believe me these guys are viral in social media, again google " annonymous"
- put pressure on MP's and MEP's they are doing by protesting, also most MP's strongly believe in capitalism hence the dismay at the government.

I don't have a problem with this particular demonstration but the participants don't seem to have articulated their aims or concerns very well.

As Cleaver says they seem a bit fed up like a lot of us. Not how they'll be any happier once this protest is finished.

As far as im aware its supposed to be an everlasting campaign until people in power see that capitalism creates greed and thus shouldnt beused as abusiness model.

Road_Hog

The trouble with these 'sort' of protesters is that they usually have an agenda beyond the one which is stated. They're usually Lefties and their agenda usually involves more state control as the solution.

wotsthat

Cleaver wrote: »

My point was that the protest is a way of doing something. What else are they meant to do if they're not sure what the answer actually is? The protest may not achieve anything other than making the point that a load of people aren't happy about what's going on, which might actually be quite a useful objective. If a lot of us are fed up then it takes people who have the drive to this type of thing to do something that the rest of us can't be bothered to do.

I have been on one protest before for something I felt strongly about. I'm not sure I came away any happier or that any specific difference had been made, but I was pleased that I had made my point in some way, shape or form.

All these protesters are highlighting is that people are a bit fed up about something. It's sort of the fault of banks and big business but it could be capitalism per se, it's all a little vague.

I'm not saying that they need a 20 point manifesto to be credible but more clarity would help their cause - at least more people would understand what it was about.

robmatic

spadoosh wrote: »

As far as im aware its supposed to be an everlasting campaign until people in power see that capitalism creates greed and thus shouldnt beused as abusiness model.

Doesn't seem very democratic. What about ordinary people who quite like capitalism? Do their views count?

spadoosh

robmatic wrote: »

Doesn't seem very democratic. What about ordinary people who quite like capitalism? Do their views count?

That statement has conflicting interests, ordinary people who like the rich getting richer and the poor poorer?!

Are you sure you understand capitalism?!

Generally those who like it and use it are massive organisation, not really ordinary people. The real ordinary people HAVE to deal with it therfore no democracy in it that way!

Everyon keeps sayin they have no agenda, they do, just there are several thousand people protesting and each and everyone is there for their own reason ultimately though it comes down to one problem and thats capitalist ideas.

Please don't assume im a wannabe protestor really im not, well cant be ar sed with that! Im quite happy plodding along dont give a toss either way and certainly not willing to do anything about problems, im of the philosophy of 'theres always someone worse off' and am quite happy with my life and how it goes.

However there is a problem and the protestors are highlighting some of the problems. Good on them if thye feel so strongly about it.

Sorry im a lazy git and cant be bothered. But will quite happily inform people why they are protesting if they cant work it out for themself.

FTBFun

Ordinary people do better from capitalism than any of the other alternatives that have been tried, though. You don't see Eastern Europe going back to command economies any time soon.

spadoosh

FTBFun wrote: »

Ordinary people do better from capitalism than any of the other alternatives that have been tried, though. You don't see Eastern Europe going back to command economies any time soon.

What your saying is, its the the best out of a bad bunch! Not a reason for people to not protest and want change.

And i think you'll find there are other business models available just people dont get rich off them. http://www.co-operative.coop/enterprisehub/what-is-a-co-operative/

One of the best examples of what these people are protesting for.

kabayiri

wotsthat wrote: »

There are lots of other ways to protest:

- a boycotting campaign
- encouraging people to vote according to their views on this issue
- getting involved in local and national politics
- helping charities with similar special interests
- use social media to highlight the issues
- put pressure on MP's and MEP's

I don't have a problem with this particular demonstration but the participants don't seem to have articulated their aims or concerns very well.

As Cleaver says they seem a bit fed up like a lot of us. Not how they'll be any happier once this protest is finished.

If you can mobilise a large group of people to act in a coherent manner and gain inertia then you have a powerful tool.

I'm sure the banks all laughed at Martin's campaign on PPI when it was first mooted. I doubt they are laughing now.

You can swamp government websites; raise countless e-petitions to disrupt governments "open gov" initiatives. Even launch a public discussion on hosting street parties on the eve of the Olympics launch. I don't think the government would welcome the publicity of an alternative Olympics celebration.

Demonstrations can be positive, rather than negative in nature.

I think people are fed up with the status quo, where we are fed trite titbits and soundbites by government. It's as though we don't really matter any more.

ILW

There is no point in protesting against something unless you can come up with an alternative.

It's just a form of political masturbation.