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vax2002

This is how the scam works, by frightening you half to death when the scammers impersonate and mimic real authority, leaving you stewing, thinking, are they real, will they sue me, already they are winning the battle to empty your wallet by causing you worry.
The only way you can win, is sit back and totally ignore them, something us adults have trouble doing, we need a child to demonstrate how it works.
You need to treat PPC's like dogs treat things they are not interested in, sniff it to see if its real, if not pee on it and walk away...

billstickers

Just found this:

13 February 2011

Parking: some changes which will affect motorway services


Filed under: Service Areas — admin @ 5:34 pm
The government published its rather grandiosely named Protection of freedom Bill last week. It covers a whole tranche of proposals including, among other things, cutting back the CRB system, destruction of DNA samples retained by the police and reducing the maximum time someone can be detained without trial. But it also contains a section on parking enforcement, which will affect the way that MSA operators do it.
The section on parking covers two main things. Firstly, it bans wheelclamping and impounding, which aren’t really relevant here as MSAs don’t use them.

But the other major change is that in future, parking operators will be able to recover unpaid parking costs (including penalty charges) from the registered keeper of a vehicle, not just the driver. That gets rid of the commonly-used loophole whereby a notice is sent to the keeper, who then declines either to pay or to name the driver, leaving the parking operator at a dead end. Once the new law is in place, if the operator can’t get their money from the driver, then they will be able to get it from the keeper even if the keeper wasn’t driving at the time.

On the face of it, that’s good news for parking operators (including those at MSAs), and potentially bad news for people who have, in the past been able to exploit that loophole.

But this new ability comes with some conditions, and one of the conditions is that it can only be used where a notice has first been given to the driver.

And the law stipulates that

A notice to the driver must be given before the vehicle is removed from the land in question (and while it is stationary) by affixing it to the vehicle or by handing it to a person appearing to be in charge of the vehicle.

What that means in practice is that the ability to pursue the registered keeper can’t be used where enforcement is solely by means of ANPR cameras with automated notices sent by post afterwards. To be able to recover charges from the keeper, the car (or the driver) has to be ticketed while on the premises.

So, MSA operators are going to have to make a decision here.
If they want to be able to recover parking charges from the registered keepers, then they will need to change their practices.

Instead of using ANPR technology, they will need to have parking attendants on site and actually handing out tickets.

Alternatively, they can stick with their current system and accept that parking charges are effectively unenforceable, since they have no legal means by which to obtain the identity of the driver.

It will be interesting to see which they choose.

2010

The TL`s I`ve stayed in where parking is operated by a third party, they usually ask for your car reg.
In the case of Moto at M5 Bridgewater they photo your car as you enter and then TL asks you to enter your reg in a machine on their counter.

robredz

Should we blacklist all Moto service Areas

2010 wrote: »

The TL`s I`ve stayed in where parking is operated by a third party, they usually ask for your car reg.
In the case of Moto at M5 Bridgewater they photo your car as you enter and then TL asks you to enter your reg in a machine on their counter.

If you then get an invoice, you ignore the invoice but complain to TL, and send them an invoice for your wrongful no realistic appeal penalty. They might get the message if enough do it.

2010

The OP never said if they were asked for their reg by TL, if not, this would have alerted me.
But as said above, these are a bunch of scammers best ignored but make TL aware of the fact.

billstickers

The receptionist at Travelodge new that arrival was by car and definitely did not ask for the car regn number - maybe he should have done but as said earlier he had to be woken up on arrival -
Perhaps he should pay the £80 :-)

Sirdan

Should we blacklist all Moto service Areas

billstickers wrote: »

Just found this:

13 February 2011

Parking: some changes which will affect motorway services


Filed under: Service Areas — admin @ 5:34 pm
The government published its rather grandiosely named Protection of freedom Bill last week. It covers a whole tranche of proposals including, among other things, cutting back the CRB system, destruction of DNA samples retained by the police and reducing the maximum time someone can be detained without trial. But it also contains a section on parking enforcement, which will affect the way that MSA operators do it.
The section on parking covers two main things. Firstly, it bans wheelclamping and impounding, which aren’t really relevant here as MSAs don’t use them.

But the other major change is that in future, parking operators will be able to recover unpaid parking costs (including penalty charges) from the registered keeper of a vehicle, not just the driver. That gets rid of the commonly-used loophole whereby a notice is sent to the keeper, who then declines either to pay or to name the driver, leaving the parking operator at a dead end. Once the new law is in place, if the operator can’t get their money from the driver, then they will be able to get it from the keeper even if the keeper wasn’t driving at the time.

On the face of it, that’s good news for parking operators (including those at MSAs), and potentially bad news for people who have, in the past been able to exploit that loophole.

But this new ability comes with some conditions, and one of the conditions is that it can only be used where a notice has first been given to the driver.

And the law stipulates that

A notice to the driver must be given before the vehicle is removed from the land in question (and while it is stationary) by affixing it to the vehicle or by handing it to a person appearing to be in charge of the vehicle.

What that means in practice is that the ability to pursue the registered keeper can’t be used where enforcement is solely by means of ANPR cameras with automated notices sent by post afterwards. To be able to recover charges from the keeper, the car (or the driver) has to be ticketed while on the premises.

So, MSA operators are going to have to make a decision here.
If they want to be able to recover parking charges from the registered keepers, then they will need to change their practices.

Instead of using ANPR technology, they will need to have parking attendants on site and actually handing out tickets.

Alternatively, they can stick with their current system and accept that parking charges are effectively unenforceable, since they have no legal means by which to obtain the identity of the driver.

It will be interesting to see which they choose.

Sorry but this is out of date ..the Bill was amended in the Commons to allow for a notice to keeper to be issued using ANPR..this is still being debated in the Lords so we are a long way off it becoming law.

Also the statement "will be able to get it from the keeper" is more than a little disingenous ..all it means is they would be able to attempt to get it from the keeper via the small claims court ...most private parking companies don't like to do court..they have a proven track record of losing !

It appears to me that with so called "keeper liability" in the offing the BPA / Private Parking Industry are quite keen to promulgate the myth that not knowing who was driving is the ONLY reason they can't recover their charges in a small claims court action ...this of course is nowhere near the truth.

ps: not sure who wrote the article you quote but they clearly don't know what they are talking about ..the bill does indeed ban clamping and other forms of immobilisation like blocking in . it also bans towing. And yes some MSA's have been known to use both clamping and towing in the past !

billstickers

Sorry, should have read it properly - didn't realise it was only a bill!
The info came from the web site at - blog.motorwayservices.info/2011/2/parking-some-changes-motorway-service/

Coupon-mad

Yes, the info you found is out of date.

Anyway stop worrying because no impending legal changes can be retrospective - you already have your 'ticket' and it's a FAKE PCN anyway.

Complain to Travelodge in the strongest terms as it sounds like it was their error - it cannot be down to the customer to 'know' the check-in procedures, it's down to their staff. I would complain because they may well apologise and get it cancelled which will (possibly) stop you from getting all the rubbish 'pay up' demands. And if they brush you off then you will know that their 'customer service' is pants and to avoid Travelodge in future!

But even if they wash their hands of it, still ignore the fake PCN and the scary letters that will follow. You have read our sticky threads at the top of the forum I presume? 'Welcome, please read before posting' gives info and a Watchdog clip, and 'PPC letters, what to expect' gives pics of all known scamogram letter-chains used by these charlatan companies.

billstickers

Thanks,
I'll try that
and not worry (much) about further letters.........
...
some other info ffrom the net

Thanks for this freely available info from the Companies House Website

CP PLUS LIMITED
c/o GATEWAY PARTNERS
43 WHITFIELD STREET
LONDON
ENGLAND
W1T 4HD
Company No. 02595379
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 26/03/1991
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
6321 - Other supporting land transport
Accounting Reference Date: 30/06
Last Accounts Made Up To: 30/06/2010 (FULL)
Next Accounts Due: 31/03/2012
Last Return Made Up To: 28/02/2011
Next Return Due: 27/03/2012
Last Members List: 28/02/2011
Previous Names:
Date of change Previous Name
26/04/1999 CONTROLLED PARKING LTD.

UK Establishment Details
There are no UK Establishments associated with this company.
Oversea Company Info
There are no Oversea Details associated with this company.

and

GATEWAY PARTNERS UK LIMITED
c/o GATEWAY PARTNERS
2ND FLOOR
43 WHITFIELD STREET
LONDON
W1T 4HD
Company No. 06477170
Status: Active
Date of Incorporation: 18/01/2008
Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Company Type: Private Limited Company
Nature of Business (SIC):
7412 - Accounting, auditing; tax consult
Accounting Reference Date: 30/06
Last Accounts Made Up To: 30/06/2010 (SMALL)
Next Accounts Due: 31/03/2012
Last Return Made Up To: 18/01/2011
Next Return Due: 15/02/2012
Last Members List: 18/01/2011
Previous Names:
No previous name information has been recorded over the last 20 years.
UK Establishment Details
There are no UK Establishments associated with this company.
Oversea Company Info
There are no Oversea Details associated with this company.



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