rant..moan..school..bullying.

FATBALLZ

fedupnow wrote: »

It's incredibly sad is what it is.

Do you deliberately fail at job interviews (assuming you've ever had one), in order to look out for the dumber candidate who would be out of a job if you got it?

fedupnow

thistledome wrote: »

Self-defence is sad?

Teaching your kids to be a punchbag is even sadder IMO.

I have never taught my kids to be a punch bag. But I've never taught them to punch either.

I've also tried to teach them to have respect for others. I also want them to defend those who they think are being singled out and bullied, not to walk past thinking 'Oh well, so long as it's not me.'

If that makes me a hand wringer, then so be it.

moomoomama27

Plans_all_plans wrote: »

It was a preschool/nursey the year before starting Reception. She was there for a year. I wasn't going to faff about with governors when the advice "hit back" worked from the off. If that hadn't worked then I expect I'd have taken it further.

That's sad Teaching a 3-5 yr old that.

Children of nursery age are learning, hitting out is a normal development phase. I would expect a good nursery teacher to be aware of a hitter and put themselves in a position to make sure the hitter is disciplined. I cannot believe that a teacher would ignore that, if they did why didn't you remove your child?

Plans_all_plans

My child is taught to stand up for people who are being bullied and singled out too. Just because she'd defend herself if someone hit her first (which is a natural human reaction in my opinion) it doesn't mean she's happy to let others be ostracised!

Plans_all_plans

moomoomama27 wrote: »

That's sad Teaching a 3-5 yr old that.

Children of nursery age are learning, hitting out is a normal development phase. I would expect a good nursery teacher to be aware of a hitter and put themselves in a position to make sure the hitter is disciplined. I cannot believe that a teacher would ignore that, if they did why didn't you remove your child?

I have to disagree, in her class there was one hitter. One poorly disciplined (from home) hitter. It might be normal at 2, but NOT 4 where I live anyway. Why should I remove MY child? She's not causing the problem. The bully should be removed, not the innocent parties!!

Anyway, we'll go round in circles all night with this, so I'll bow out now. Nothing will convince me otherwise and I doubt I'll convince those on the other side of the argument!

Oh, and by the way, the teacher did try to sort it out using a variety of tactics, but some children are unwilling or unable to listen for whatever reason.

fedupnow

FATBALLZ wrote: »

Do you deliberately fail at job interviews (assuming you've ever had one), in order to look out for the dumber candidate who would be out of a job if you got it?

:rotfl:

I don't want to go into details about where I work, but I'm a woman in a male dominated industry and nobody pushes me around.

But I won't stand for any bullying amongst my men. If I see any I'm onto it. Bullying is nasty and it's dirty but it's mainly carried out by the weak and lily-livered, they don't scare me.

And I disagree with your other post too. It is not the 'real world'. I have never worked anywhere where people are free to beat each other up.

FATBALLZ

fedupnow wrote: »

And I disagree with your other post too. It is not the 'real world'. I have never worked anywhere where people are free to beat each other up.

Of course not but there are plenty of workplace bullies. There is one notable one at my work who rides roughshod over anyone who disagrees with them if they are too weak to stand up for themselves properly.

Complaints have been made but nothing has been done. In my opinion it is far better for people to learn to stand up for themselves rather than quit their job or get downtrodden in jobs if they happen to come accross a bully who is not dealt with.

fedupnow

FATBALLZ wrote: »

There is one notable one at my work who rides roughshod over anyone who disagrees with them if they are too weak to stand up for themselves properly.

Pity he wasn't dealt with when he was in school .

I accept that kid bullies are different from adult bullies. Kids are more likely to get physical, pushing, kicking, thumping etc. We likely all did a bit of it as kids. BUT, somebody told most of us to stop as it was wrong, not taught us how to do it more effectively.

The teachers should be doing their job. End of. If I didn't do my job correctly or allowed my guys to have fist fights - I would be sacked.

Sambucus_Nigra

fedupnow wrote: »

The teachers should be doing their job.

Isn't a teacher's job to teach? If the parents are bad examples then trying to teach a kid not to punch other kids is pretty hard. Sometimes, they really cannot do the impossible.

fedupnow

Sambucus_Nigra wrote: »

Isn't a teacher's job to teach? If the parents are bad examples then trying to teach a kid not to punch other kids is pretty hard. Sometimes, they really cannot do the impossible.

I agree. The teachers should be teaching. Sadly, too much of their time is taken up with having to discipline these little darlings with one hand tied behind their back with red tape.

I've been blaming the teachers, but I know they have a tough job. What I really think we need is an overhaul. I've never met a kid yet who doesn't thrive on firm boundaries. There's a line - cross it and there will be consequences. The problem is, the line is far too wavy and giving permission to a child to hit another complicates it further.

We need to bring back discipline into the schools. If they bully, they should be punished.