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  • QrizB said:
    But what does this mean? Well the electrical systems all used similar amounts of electricity, so the difference in cost will simply be down to E7 at ~10p/kWh vs. standard rate electricity at ~15p/kWh. The Fischer system will cost 50% more to run.

    I got a bit lost at this point.  Firstly because your prices for E7 and standard rate seem a bit optimistic these days.  Secondly because I was not clear how you concluded that the Fischer system would cost 50% more to run.  For example in the case of the constant 21 C, the average cost of a heater that runs throughout the day would be (7*10+17*15)/24 =13.54 p/kWh.  If you compare this to a night storage heater which can function entirely on E7 at 10 p/kWh then the all-day heater would be 35.4% more expensive to run.   
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  • QrizB
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    markbloke said:
    The Fischer trial starts in about a fortnight (subject to any effects of the barrister's strike):
    https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/fischer-future-heat-court-date-7387134

    A pre-trial review hearing was held at Leicester Crown Court this morning [27th Jul 2022]. The defendants are: Keith and Maria Bastian, both 57 and both of Lutterworth Road, Aylestone, Leicester; Isabelle Bastian, 28, of Sanvey Gate, Leicester city centre; and Graham Nicholls, 71, of Kenwood Road, Knighton, Leicester.

    The counts include:

    • Fraud by false representation against Fischer Future Heat UK Ltd, which Trading Standards alleged was carried out with the consent or “connivance” of, or was due to the neglect of, the company’s founders Keith and Maria Bastian, and Isabelle Bastian, who worked for the business. Namely:
    1. That the consumer would save money on heating their homes by installing and using their heating systems;
    2. That their heating systems were a suitable and economical match for the needs of the consumer’s household;
    3. That the heaters were capable of storing heat to a more than a minimal degree;
    4. That the heaters were suitable replacements for night storage heaters;
    5. That the heaters were bespoke, and custom built to the customer’s precise requirements;
    6. That the heating systems were compatible, safe and appropriate to be installed using the existing power source and electrical arrangements present in the consumers home.
    • A claim that Keith and Maria Bastian and Isabelle Bastian were accountable for the business when it “engaged in an aggressive commercial practice by misinforming consumers as to their statutory rights to cancel“.
    • An allegation suggesting Keith, Maria and Isabelle Bastian should be held accountable for “an aggressive commercial practice by a sales representative offering to take a consumer to the bank to enable them to pay for a heating system in full, which, in its factual context, taking account of all of its features and circumstances, significantly impaired, or was likely to significantly impair, the average consumer’s freedom of choice through the use of harassment, coercion or undue influence, by placing undue pressure upon the consumer to pay immediately and thereby caused or was likely to cause the average consumer to take a transactional decision which he would not have taken otherwise”.
    • That the company “engaged in an unfair commercial practice by falsely stating that heating systems would only be available on particular terms, namely a discounted price, for a limited time, in order to elicit an immediate decision and deprive consumers of sufficient opportunity or time to make an informed choice”.

    Nicholls is facing four charges relating to fraud.

    Other claims are also listed in the court documents. Today's hearing also heard that the case would involve up to 55 separate witnesses, with 34 expected to appear in court and 21 appearing via a video link.

    The trial is due to start on Tuesday, August 30, at Leicester Crown Court. It is expected to last for at least 10 weeks. However, the ongoing barristers' strike is expected to have an impact on how long it takes to conclude the trial.



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    QrizB said:
    markbloke said:
    The Fischer trial starts in about a fortnight (subject to any effects of the barrister's strike):

    How things have changed since the start of this thread when the MSE team were kept very busy deleting text.
  • Swipe
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    I hope they throw the book at them
  • eric4395
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    Swipe said:
    I hope they throw the book at them
    Think they more or less got away with it. 
    Just basically told to change there ways?
  • Logen
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    Charges were dropped and a formal not guilty finding was the court outcome, but only because the defendants came to an agreement, including compensation, with Trading Standards. See:

    https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/fraud-aggressive-sales-allegations-dropped-7649427
  • QrizB
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    Logen said:
    Charges were dropped and a formal not guilty finding was the court outcome, but only because the defendants came to an agreement, including compensation, with Trading Standards. See:

    https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/fraud-aggressive-sales-allegations-dropped-7649427
    Thanks for the link.
    Hopefully they really will change, but there's that saying about leopards and spots ...
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