I'm sort of homeless. Need money NOW.

System

Well as far as cycling across the world, why not? Living in Aus' again why not ( a relative around your age is there and doing very nicely), houses, yep achievable with a job and luck/foresight in buying at the right time. Nothing unrealistic there...in fact with commitment and hard graft and a dollop of luck no dreams should be dismissed, they may evolve and alter as life goes on but certainly always have some dreams to work towards.

Vanille_2

kittiej wrote: »

I was once told by a manger at work that if a person wants to do something badly enough then they will find a way. When we are younger we don't have the same self-limitations that age brings. You don't have a family/dependants so there should be nothing to hold you back IME

I agree, thankyou. You've said a few helpful things in this thread.

As for what you said about the charity (I think it was you). I'll write that down. Do you know the name of any specific charities that deal with those on JSA?

thegirlintheattic

Vanille wrote: »

And what if I do find a job straight away? Like I said above, I always have. This is the typical attitude I get from people who struggle with things. They assume i'm going to struggle, because they do.

Maybe I will struggle, I'll deal with it.

And thankyou for wishing that fate on me, that's very mature of you. I don't hope anything happens to you.

What if I do get a job easily? Will you be there to tell me that you were wrong? That I don't need to face reality? Or maybe you'll tell me i'm lucky.

I can never win.

I haven't struggled, I've got a good professional job and outstanding qualifications. You say you feel most people on JSA are lying about not being able to find work - yet are happy to commit benefit fraud because you cannot be bother to find a job and work on your degree at the same time.

You might find a job straight away. Some people are lucky, but there are plenty of graduates who have not found work, who then struggle to find 'low paid' jobs because they are considered overqualified.

You seem to have a sense of self-entitlement and arrogance that does not bode well.

kittiej

google food bank or trussel trust

I too had parents who would rather scoff at my ideas than offer constructive advice *shrugs*

Vanille_2

Purbeck wrote: »

Well as far as cycling across the world, why not? Living in Aus' again why not ( a relative around your age is there and doing very nicely), houses, yep achievable with a job and luck/foresight in buying at the right time. Nothing unrealistic there...in fact with commitment and hard graft and a dollop of luck no dreams should be dismissed, they may evolve and alter as life goes on but certainly always have some dreams to work towards.

Thanks for the support, but you'd be surprised how many people tell me I can't do these things, or that i'm living in a dream world, my parents included.

As mentioned a few posts ago, people tend to feel that because they're limited in some ways, that others will be also. I don't wish to live a normal life and I don't wish to adhere to the social rules, not for the sake of rebelling, but typical life is scary to me.

I hate the idea of having a 9-5 then coming back and just watching TV, then repeat. Everybody says 'welcome to reality' and sh*t like that, which annoys me. The fact is, the world is changing and companies are slowly changing to give people better 'benefits' to enhance productivity. Some companies encourage you to bring pets to work or to play games at work (Like Google) and soon smaller companies will follow suit. These days you don't have to go into work at 16 to start a trade, in fact in many instances you don't necessarily need to start a career until 30, as things such as travelling are valuable to employers. Also more people are getting Masters and work experience here and there, then they land a decent job.
I'm sure some people will tell me i'm in cuckoo land though and that I should face reality.

cbrown372

so have you spent the day looking for a loan, checking your bank?

Vanille_2

thegirlintheattic wrote: »

I haven't struggled, I've got a good professional job and outstanding qualifications. You say you feel most people on JSA are lying about not being able to find work - yet are happy to commit benefit fraud because you cannot be bother to find a job and work on your degree.

You might find a job straight away. Some people are lucky, but there are plenty of graduates who have not found work, who then struggle to find 'low paid' jobs because they are considered overqualified.

You seem to have a sense of self-entitlement and arrogance that does not bode well.

Your first argument doesn't make sense.
You say you feel most people on JSA are lying about not being able to find work - yet are happy to commit benefit fraud because you cannot be bother to find a job and work on your degree.
Is the second part supposed to support the first part?

I do think most people who stay on JSA for months or years can't be trying that hard. There are more jobs out there than the news may give the impression of. If you are genuinely look for a job for months on end then you must not be willing to do anything. I'm not working because it's important that I finish my uni work. When the work is complete I shall genuinely look for a job. I WILL find one, quickly. It may not be ideal, but i'll find one, and whilst I have that job i'll find a second job to move on to it.
As I said earlier, I've only just come from a job, and I will go straight onto job, but for these few weeks i'm busy, whether you believe me or not.

I understand that graduates struggle with the overqualified problem with more menial jobs. I personally don't think it would be a major problem. My personal plan for going for a job that I may be over-qualified for would be to claim it's the industry I want to go for, therefore I want to start at the bottom to fully understand the role and the intricacies, so that when I work my way up through your company I can be a better employee. Some employers may not believe me, some will. Maybe I won't get a job, but it's never been like that before and I don't think it will be now.

I have also lots of contacts and i'll sort something out.

Also, employers can't be stupid. They must know that people with degrees are being rejected for easier jobs, thus people with degrees are getting more desperate and really are willing to stick around, therefore it should present an opportunity to get a more qualified person for cheap.

System

It doesn't make you ( general 'you') any less 'successful' if you travel the world working here and there to support yourself, build an eco house in the forest, or generally opt out of a 9-5 existence, I'm a great believer that whilst paper qualifications are good to have ( not least for the sense of achievement), 'life' experience is immensely valuable, both to yourself and future employers...it is much easier to do that of course if you are supporting only yourself, so best done young!

It's not an easy choice to opt out of 'security' in the form of a career from the outset, if you're prepared to sometimes live hand to mouth, then do it. Don't ask for or expect approval, not everyone can see the wider world as an adventure... they are doing what feels best for them, which is fine, and you should do what feels best for you in that respect.

CH27

You could have been out working all the time you have been arguing your corner on here.
You could have been doing your uni work or some housework too.

DCFC79

Vanille wrote: »

True. It's a risk I took though.
If it takes me a long time to find a job then I'll still require the JSA. I'll try my best to find one though. To be honest I think most people who are on JSA are lying when they say they can't get a job.

I'll got a low-end job, even manual labor if I have to (I have done this before), to get some money. In the meantime i'll apply for graduate roles. I'm not just going to sit on JSA and do nothing. The only reason i'm doing this now is because i'm busy with uni.

so if you were found out you could be in a worse position than now, you could have a criminal record which you would have to declare on application forms, i think your being daft claiming jsa when your not actually looking for work but your not the only 1 doing it. I think most people on jsa are doing they're best to find work and its only a minority who arent doing what is required, i know id rather be working after spending 5 months on jsa.

I would have been looking for a job since turn of the year.