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The Daily Mail are bragging about it.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024485/UK-RIOTS-2011-Manchester-police-shown-YouTube-video-chasing-gang.html
Now now steve keep up consistency.
No, not what I was referring to..
What I do not understand is that you seem to condemn the police for using this kind of response.
You should have watched
http://www.channel4.com/programmes/coppers/episode-guide/series-1/episode-5
last night.
The UAF were as bad as the EDL.:eek:
It was a classic example of the problem the police have. The left wing are as violent as the right and cant see the irony in their own marches. (I dont support the EDL in any way but they have a right to march in a free country just like any other organisation)
What I found odd is why the left wing people cause trouble then make out it is the police being brutal they seem to ignore the fact of their own violence and intimidation.
Like the cops said don't judge until you have been their, they have the right to use force if justifiable.
The day we have a namby pamby police who are to scared to do anything incase they get sued or sacked is the day we lose control of the law.
Even on that program (before these riots) it was asked are some chiefs more interested in public image than the safety of the public and others and one of the riot cops said yes, some.
The police on the street seem to think going in hard is the best way to stop things getting out of hand.
But it is interesting what you said on numbers? any proof their was not enough police from what I gather they can manage sport events every saturday or even on a saturday night.
They could have put enough police out there to deal with it had they wanted to deal with it like they did on wednesday. But some forces decided it was public unrest not criminality.
In reality it was looting not riots and should have been dealt with harder, the police admit that so not sure why you are making out they were heavy handed?
If I look at the looter videos and the cop videos I can't see what the fuss is. The cops are doing their job, they can hit people if justifiable would you argue it was not justifiable?0 -
It's the best we can hope for - humiliation and a direct link between action and consequence.
Exactly.
I think people have cottoned on to the fact that loads of these rioters were saying to news cameras, the police won't do nothing, feeling somewhat invincible.
If we can use that to our benefit, and show them thats not the case, maybe they won't be so quick to do it again.
Bit like on question time last night, someone said if they are naughty are school, nothing happens, if they are naughty at home, nothing happens, if they are naughty outside, even less happens as everyone is scared to punish. We've given these children free reign with no understanding of consequences of actions or responsibility.0 -
Now now steve keep up consistency.
What I do not understand is that you seem to condemn the police for using this kind of response.
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I think there is a breakdown in comminication sometimes
you stated that the police had been too soft, I said they hadn't and showed you an example What I do have a problem with the low life DM and its readers woopin and a hollerin at kids being beaten with batons, I wonder sometimes who are the animals. 
'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
What I found odd is why the left wing people cause trouble then make out it is the police being brutal they seem to ignore the fact of their own violence and intimidation.
Summed up excellently.
As I said earlier in this thread "I'll have a pop at you, but don't you have a pop back".0 -
Presumably they would be sacked instantly?
Presumption does not imply certainty or even willingness. What about children? They are not on benefits. Should the parents of these be sacked if there is to be parental responsibility?Living for tomorrow might mean that you survive the day after.
It is always different this time. The only thing that is the same is the outcome.
Portfolios are like personalities - one that is balanced is usually preferable.
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What I do have a problem with the low life DM and its readers woopin and a hollerin at kids being beaten with batons, I wonder sometimes who are the animals.
This is FAR more than DM readers, and that's a somewhat poor putdown towards others who don't hold your view.
I've spoken to GPs, consultants and a counsellor about these riots (I work with these people), and all of them have the same basic premise.
That premise is "if the kids are old enough to brutalise others, vandalise property, and put innocent peoples lives at risk (through fires), they are old enough to get taken down".
That does not mean "beating the kids with battons". It means using force to stop them vandalising, beating, and putting others in danger. Something I feel you have trouble in understanding, or are deliberately trying to blur the lines on this to somewhat backup your view.
None of the above people are DM readers. They read broadsheets. I see them doing so.0 -
But it is interesting what you said on numbers? any proof their was not enough police from what I gather they can manage sport events every saturday or even on a saturday night.
They could have put enough police out there to deal with it had they wanted to deal with it like they did on wednesday. But some forces decided it was public unrest not criminality.
The only proof I can come up with is their need to call in outside forces from as far as Glasgow, football crowds tend to be easy these days they tend to arrive at one place and escorted to another, plus you don't get the numbers of away fans like in the old days. I remember crowds of 15k plus travelling to Man Utd away games, arriving from all directions and populating small towns all day, I should imagine for the locals it must have been akin to the riots or even worse because there was more violence.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Graham_Devon wrote: »
That does not mean "beating the kids with battons". It means using force to stop them vandalising, beating, and putting others in danger. Something I feel you have trouble in understanding, or are deliberately trying to blur the lines on this to somewhat backup your view.
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I take it you didn't bother clicking on that DM link that I provided above and watching the video and reading some of those moronic comments?'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0 -
Let's face it. She's going to end up with 20 hours community service (and the courts know it)
Not necessarily. Did you see the bloke who got 6 months for stealing a case of water?
It looks to me like the courts are being lenient with the kids but coming down very hard on the adults. You're not going to deny bail to someone unless you intend to send them to prison is my guess.0 -
Not necessarily. Did you see the bloke who got 6 months for stealing a case of water?
It looks to me like the courts are being lenient with the kids but coming down very hard on the adults. You're not going to deny bail to someone unless you intend to send them to prison is my guess.
First offence as well, the thing is a lot of the charges seem quite minor e.g. breach of the peace. Also it wouldn't surprise me if some of those old geezers charged were accidental rioters, say, had a few, kicked out of the pub because they were closing early and give some mouth to the police.'Just think for a moment what a prospect that is. A single market without barriers visible or invisible giving you direct and unhindered access to the purchasing power of over 300 million of the worlds wealthiest and most prosperous people' Margaret Thatcher0
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