Lose Weight 34

margaretclare

victoria_stiles wrote: »

People gain weight in different ways, for different reasons and they have countless options for losing it. and some people make excuses not to start their healthy diet plan or a regular exercise. Some people would take shortcuts. Although Weight loss surgery, or lap band surgery, is becoming an increasingly popular method of weight loss used around the world.

I've seen TV programmes which highlighted hugely-obese people who felt that these types of surgery were their only option, even young teenage girls!!

What doesn't seem to be generally realised is that surgery to reduce the size of the stomach is only part of the story - the next thing is, because it's absolutely impossible to take in any normal amounts of food, the 'dieting' has to start once the patient is out of theatre! Some types are reversible - the kind with a band - others are irreversible and very severe. A 13-year old girl in Alabama, I watched recently, had this severe and irreversible kind of surgery. She hadn't managed to kick the cravings, though, still longed for the type of foods that had caused the problem in the first place, drooled after burgers, ice-cream, all those kinds of things.

I remain firmly convinced that the problem starts in the head, and that unless that is where it is tackled, nothing will work.

mandz1

Happy belated birthday jess and victory

margaretclare

DH has just discovered this very interesting link: http://www.drbriffa.com/2009/06/29/why-nuts-are-a-great-food-for-diabetics/

VfM4meplse

New to this thread, have read a couple of posts with fascination but will admit to not having read them all!

margaretclare wrote: »

A 13-year old girl in Alabama, I watched recently, had this severe and irreversible kind of surgery. She hadn't managed to kick the cravings, though, still longed for the type of foods that had caused the problem in the first place, drooled after burgers, ice-cream, all those kinds of things.

I remain firmly convinced that the problem starts in the head, and that unless that is where it is tackled, nothing will work.

Only in America...she would have to be at risk of imminently life-threatening diabetes for the NHS to even contemplate funding bariatric surgery at that age, and even then it would be a very drastic option and she would be made to trial a number of diets under strict conditions first! People don't appreciate that surgery is not an easy option, in the developed world at least there's been a shift in culture away from taking responsibility for your own health.

This seems like a good place to get motivation and advice....I am completely addicted to carbs, have been since I can remember. The problem for me is, once I start eating, I crave more. Seedy bread is for me is particularly irresistable, leave me alone with 800g and I could easily get through 1/3 of it w/o batting an eyelid. I am the correct weight for my size, (female and 5'9"/10st), but have upped my intake considerably since increasing my exercise levels - typically take a 7.5mile brisk walk and swim a mile daily, which I estimate burns in excess of 1000 calories. If I wanted to curb my cravings under normal circumstances, I would just cut our bread and cereals and the carving regulates itself within a day or so....but it's not an option with a relatively strenuous exercise regimen, which I am loathe to reduce.

Any tips on limiting your toast consumption to just 2 slices? I don't like freezing bread btw.

margaretclare

Only in America...she would have to be at risk of imminently life-threatening diabetes for the NHS to even contemplate funding bariatric surgery at that age, and even then it would be a very drastic option and she would be made to trial a number of diets under strict conditions first! People don't appreciate that surgery is not an easy option, in the developed world at least there's been a shift in culture away from taking responsibility for your own health.

She had already developed sleep apnoea and had to wear a mask at night to enable her to breathe. She was in Alabama which is said to be the fattest state in the USA.

There have apparently been arguments to the effect that this type of surgery should be made available to obese children on the NHS.

VfM4meplse

margaretclare wrote: »

She had already developed sleep apnoea and had to wear a mask at night to enable her to breathe. She was in Alabama which is said to be the fattest state in the USA.

There have apparently been arguments to the effect that this type of surgery should be made available to obese children on the NHS.

Sleep apnoea undoubtedly improves with weight loss, but that does not mean that bariatric surgery is the answer. I personally think parenting lessons in addition to the CPAP would have been a more effective clinical intervention.

PCTs will not routinely fund bariatric surgery for all those meeting NICE criteria because of affordability issues, as is their legal right. Apart from anything, if the behavioural change doesn't materialise people can still put on weight over time after the procedure. Bariatric surgery cannot be recommended for children for safety reasons. Placing a child in an environment w/o access to junk food and enjoyable exercise regimen is a less extreme intervention that is bound to have positive results.

beanielou

Victory~my apologies for my menoposal memory loss.
I am an oldie in more ways than one!!
Haqppy birthday

lr1277

VfM4meplse wrote: »

Any tips on limiting your toast consumption to just 2 slices? I don't like freezing bread btw.

I normally lurk on this thread and have gained a lot of good advice.

Vfm are you aware Warburtons produce a half loaf with full size seeded slices? V. nice actually. So no problems about the bread going off if you don't eat too much.

I have bread for one of two reasons. 1) part of my breakfast if I have an especially tough session at the gym. Otherwise just eggs and baked beans or eggs and veggies (for breakfast).
2) Cheese sandwich with one slice of bread, as a snack, anytime during the day.

Back to lurking.

margaretclare

PCTs will not routinely fund bariatric surgery for all those meeting NICE criteria because of affordability issues, as is their legal right. Apart from anything, if the behavioural change doesn't materialise people can still put on weight over time after the procedure. Bariatric surgery cannot be recommended for children for safety reasons. Placing a child in an environment w/o access to junk food and enjoyable exercise regimen is a less extreme intervention that is bound to have positive results.

I agree with you about the behavioural change. That was what I meant when I wrote that any 'diet' has to start in the head.

When watching that TV programme at the weekend I doubted whether there would be a long-term sustainable change, given that the young girl was able to take a frozen 'five-cheese lasagne' out of the freezer and drool over it: 'it looks so good...' just the picture on the packet was enough to send her into raptures! One of the surgeons who was willing to do this actually said 'what will happen in 50 years' time when they're in their 60s?' Another person commented that a young person of that age cannot possibly understand all the implications of what she's about to be put through. Interestingly enough, none of the family was what you'd call sylph-like!

Brighton_belle

victory wrote: »

It was my birthday at the weekend and you oldies all forgot, heartbroken to say the least:rotfl: right that is it, I am off to post somewhere else if you can't remember to wish me a happy birthday:rotfl::rotfl::D

beanielou wrote: »

Victory~my apologies for my menoposal memory loss.
I am an oldie in more ways than one!!
Happy birthday

Happy Birthday Victory - hope it is the start of much better year!
And I blame wedding fluffball brain:rotfl:. And yeah, it was mine last week...will await your very large pressie in the post Victory.

Belated birthdy wishes to Jess too.