Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things

GDB2222

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

Of the Jews I know, in the UK, I'd say far more keep parts of Kosher rules (say, no pork or seafood at least, like my OH) than keep the Sabbath. But that's only anecdotal.

I came a cropper the first full Sabbath I spent with Orthodox Jews at a Bar Mitzvah in Israel. It was held on the Sabbath, so we all stayed in a huge family-type hotel. It's hard to remember all the rules - I washed my hair and had to dry it fast enough that no-one noticed, I carried things, I made a cup of tea.....

No reason why you shouldn't carry things inside the hotel. Or outside it assuming there's an eruv. Making a cup of tea, did you use the hot water provided, or you boiled your own? Loose tea, tea bag, or tea powder (ugggh!)?

I suspect that you were more upset about this than anybody else. Did DH not guide you in what he considered appropriate? After all, I don't see why you should be expected to do anything he didn't (or not do anything he did).

If it's any consolation, my wife and I have been invited to a carol service in December, followed by lunch at a posh, very establishment venue, and I'm sure that we'll get it all wrong. Will it upset anyone when we do? Probably only us!

GDB2222

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

I don't not-drink completely, but I drink very little, perhaps 5-10 units a year.

I can't remember the preferred dosage, but optimal health and longevity is associated with rather more alcohol than that. I think maybe 5 units a week.

neverdespairgirl

GDB2222 wrote: »

No reason why you shouldn't carry things inside the hotel. Or outside it assuming there's an eruv. Making a cup of tea, did you use the hot water provided, or you boiled your own? Loose tea, tea bag, or tea powder (ugggh!)?

I suspect that you were more upset about this than anybody else. Did DH not guide you in what he considered appropriate? After all, I don't see why you should be expected to do anything he didn't (or not do anything he did).

If it's any consolation, my wife and I have been invited to a carol service in December, followed by lunch at a posh, very establishment venue, and I'm sure that we'll get it all wrong. Will it upset anyone when we do? Probably only us!

I went to the car park (outside the eruv) carrying the car keys, opened the door (thereby turning the light on) and carried whatever it was I went to get back to the hotel. So a whole host of sins in one go.

The tea - I used the hot water on the plate, but I didn't realise that instant coffee is OK, but tea bags count as making something.

OH did tell me a lot of it, but I found that hearing about it in theory, and remembering in practice weren't quite the same thing. So I do turn light switches on, or press a lift button, although I know in theory that I shouldn't. I also know from doing it the other way round that the obvious things seem so normal it's hard to remember to explain them. And OH had lived in the UK, I've not lived in Israel.

OH's family was terribly patient, and it helped that we'd brought along Isaac (then 6 months old) to meet them all for the first time. Although OH's great-aunt asked suspiciously in her French / Polish / Yiddish mixed language what sort of funny English name Isaac was. We told her it was Yitshak. She then asked what sort of funny English name his middle name was, and we told her it was Welsh, after my Dad. She gave up, then.

There was also an example at the same Bar Mitzvah of the unknown-outside-Israel complexities of life between Palestinians, Arabs and Jews - the children's entertainer on the Friday afternoon was a very camp Arab Israeli with more mascara on than any woman there.

As the for the carol service and posh lunch - you just do the normal thing. Nothing to worry about...... (You're completely right, of course. But I did feel very self-conscious).

LydiaJ

GDB2222 wrote: »

If it's any consolation, my wife and I have been invited to a carol service in December, followed by lunch at a posh, very establishment venue, and I'm sure that we'll get it all wrong. Will it upset anyone when we do? Probably only us!

You don't have to do much at a carol service. You go in, find somewhere to sit, and talk to each other and/or the people sitting nearby until it begins. Then you have lots of carols and (usually) readings - traditionally 9 readings, but it depends what kind of carol service. Stand up and sit down when everyone else does - you usually sit to listen to the readings and the carols that the choir sings, and stand for the carols that everybody is welcome to sing. Nobody will mind whether you actually sing them or not, and there will be words provided on a sheet that's given out at the beginning, or on an overhead screen, depending on the technology available in the church/venue. There is frequently some kind of collection of money - sometimes for the church hosting the service, but more often for some charity that they'll tell you about. Nobody will be watching to see if you put anything in or how much, so treat it as you would if there was a charitable collection at any other kind of event.

Lunch at a posh venue depends on exactly how posh - if it's very posh indeed you may need to do a little copying of what everyone else seems to be doing, but not much, I don't suppose. And you're right - nobody will mind if you "get it wrong".

neverdespairgirl

GBD, following on from what I wrote above that is in the Gospels, it's worth bearing in mind that the Passover part of the Last Supper didn't make it into the liturgy. The crucial part of which is:

Accept our praises, heavenly Father,
through thy Son our Saviour Jesus Christ,
and as we follow his example and obey his command,
grant that by the power of thy Holy Spirit
these gifts of bread and wine
may be unto us his body and his blood;

who, in the same night that he was betrayed, took bread;
and when he had given thanks to thee,
he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying:
Take, eat; this is my body which is given for you;
do this in remembrance of me.

Likewise after supper he took the cup;
and when he had given thanks to thee, he gave it to them, saying:
Drink ye all of this;
for this is my blood of the new covenant,
which is shed for you and for many for the forgiveness of sins.
Do this, as oft as ye shall drink it,
in remembrance of me.

Wherefore, O Lord and heavenly Father,
we remember his offering of himself
made once for all upon the cross;
we proclaim his mighty resurrection and glorious ascension;
we look for the coming of his kingdom
and with this bread and this cup
we make the memorial of Christ thy Son our Lord.

Lots of stuff about the supper, the meal, and the last night before he was betrayed, nothing of Passover.

I remember learning during A level history about the linguistic agonies in writing this part of the Prayer Book - did one state trans-substantiation? Or con substantiation? Or remerberance only?

(The massive and sometimes fatal to people on the wrong side argument during the Reformation about whether the bread and wine actually became the body and blood of Christ, or whether it was some type of symbol or memorial).

Davesnave

I just want to say my thoughts are with you and your family, Lydia.

tomterm8

neverdespairgirl wrote: »

GDB, it's in (among others) the Gospel according to Mark, Chapter 14, and it's very clear that the Last Supper was the first day of Passover:
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I think the theology of the matter is very complicated, the exact date of the last supper and therefore easter is a matter of a lot of debate between different Christians.

(It's like the Christmas controversy: Christmas probably couldn't have happened on December 25th, many people think it was moved there to combat the feast of Sol Invictus)

Edit: I didn't see Lydia's post. But that sucks, Lydia. You are in all the NP's thoughts.

lemonjelly

lostinrates wrote: »

the buttons are buttons...by kegs I meant trousers, kecks, slacks, strides.....

but I think they look like this:
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I love perfume ads, they are beautiful little bits of commercial art. But actually I think this one leaves me cold, for more than one reason

I hate perfume ads. I'm sure we've discussed this before.
!!!!!! have they got to do with the product they're selling? How does the so-called "art" tell me anything about it?

perfume ads :mad:

Davesnave

lemonjelly wrote: »

I hate perfume ads. I'm sure we've discussed this before.
!!!!!! have they got to do with the product they're selling? How does the so-called "art" tell me anything about it?

perfume ads :mad:

It's subliminal, my dear jelly.

I can't think of another product consumers are less 'informed' about when it comes to spending large sums of money.

lemonjelly

vivatifosi wrote: »

Funny you should say that. DH still uses Lotus's suite with Ami Pro and 123, he hates Microsoft and also sees no need to upgrade. He did his PhD with 123 and can make it do things that he still can't make Excel do. Though his latest version is at least a Windows one.

I do wonder what the professional take-up of Office 2010 is. I tried to look it up and it seemed that the initial take up was higher in the home market rather than commercial. For the most part I still use 2003 at work. If I thought the majority of British companies weren't bothering to upgrade, I don't know that I would. The problem is I don't know what they are doing.

We've moved to office 2010.
I really didn't see the need. I still don't.

I appreciate that most of these packages are all singing & all dancing. Thing is, most people only use 10% of the facilities they have imo.