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Nice people thread part 4 - sugar and spice and all things
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Seriously kosher then.
Do you drink wine?
You do post on a Saturday I seem to recall, which sort of contradicts being so kosher.
(Not that there is anything wrong with contradictions.)
I drink, but not to oblivion. And I eat mushrooms, not that there is a connection.
There's no contradiction, as I'm not the religious one. In answer to all the questions:
There are different lots of Jews, as different as say Greek Orthodox is from Methodist. Besides which, there are the observant ones and the slackers!
There's no Jewish prohibition against drinking, but some very orthodox people are careful to drink wine that has been supervised. Spirits are okay generally. Obviously, there are some Jewish drunkards.
I don't quite understand why Viva's house smelled because of something in the drains? There are meant to be u-bends on all the basins, sinks, baths, showers, etc to trap the smells. After all, there are other smelly things that go down there other than white spirit. I don't think that white spirit mixes with water, but adding lots of dishwasher detergent should dissolve it so it can be washed away.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
Yes, but held a day early - on Thursday whereas I gather it's usually on Friday (??) - because he knew he wouldn't be there on Friday evening.
That's very interesting, that it was held a day early. Passover night can fall on any day of the week in our present calendar, because the Jewish calendar works on a lunar cycle. The Jewish months start on the new moon, and Passover always starts on the 15th of Nisan. so the first night of Passover corresponds with the full moon.
Lydia, you, your mother, and your family are in my thoughts.No reliance should be placed on the above! Absolutely none, do you hear?0 -
Re cousins and 2nd cousins, I have too many to count - my dad was one of 7 and my mum one of 12 and they all reproduced copiously (mum and dad had the least with 3 children). Some of my cousins are already great grandparents.
Before my nan died, we did a list up of all the grandchildren and she had over 120 grandchildren and great grand children..in fact, she was a great great grandmother.....
I rarely drink although I used to when younger and I love mushrooms.
My dad was one of 9 sons, most of whom lived long enough to have families with kids (17 in the largest). He's the only one left. There's about 36 cousins on that side. I'd struggle to keep track of them, their children and grandchildren.
Mum's side 2 cousins and I've already told that tale!
My kids can name all their cousins as families are getting so much smaller.
I heard that in China, words like uncle, aunt and cousin are disappearing. The first time I heard of half-cousins I had to go away and sit down and think about it and then gave up and looked up what it meant:o
Love mushrooms. like wine and beer but don't get the point of spirits which might sound odd from a Scotsman:DThere is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
I don't drink either. Tried to develop a taste for it and never did, so gave up trying. There seem to be more non-drinkers (or hardly ever drinkers) among the nice people than the average population. I'm trying to remember the other things we thought were disproportionately represented here - something about liking or not liking mushrooms? Can anyone remember what the others were?
NPs are disproportionately Jewish / married to / living with Jews.But that's not what I came on here to say tonight. I just heard from my dad. Mum is getting dehydrated because she won't eat/drink enough. The doctor suggested a drip, but she doesn't want it. The doctor and my dad agreed that while it might buy her an extra week or two of life, it wasn't worth it if she would hate it.
I talk to my dad about the things I used to talk to her about because she can't understand any more. I miss the person she used to be. I know she's never going to be well again, but somehow that doesn't feel as final as her death will be.
What a tough, brave decision for your Dad to make. I agree, if she's made a decision deep inside, a week or two extra of "life" isn't worth buying by a drip, but it's such a hard thing to have to come to terms with.
I think we are so programmed to be alive that death is always a shock, no matter how much we know it's coming. And it's hard to grief in advance, even if you already miss the mother you used to have.
Hope your children, especially DS, will be OK too....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
PasturesNew wrote: »So ... to keep it simple, if I ever ever have to provide food for somebody that only eats kosher.... it sounds like I'd be OK if I stuck to 100% veggie and no booze.
It's all rather complex isn't it.
I bet you don't get invited back a 2nd time
I had absolutely NO idea stuff like this went on!!
Booze is fine. Very strict Jews wouldn't eat anything you offered / cooked anyway, because it would be a non-Kosher household, with non-kosher plates.
OH's family had some cousins to stay who wouldn't eat anything apart from packaged, sealed foods bought from Kosher shops in London, and paper / plastic cups, plates and so forth. Because they weren't Kosher....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
One fridge, and yes we swap all the crockery over for Pesach. BTW, Pesach = Passover festival, which happens around Easter time. I think the 'last supper' was a passover meal?
It was indeed. It being Passover was a very important part of the whole Easter thing.
OH's family used to us the Israeli Army version of the Haggadah (no idea how to spell that, I've only heard it) because his Dad said he'd starve if they used the full version....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
smartphone - Not got one, don't intend to in the near future
ipod - Got it, and like it
ipad - Not got one, don't intend to in the near future - like Lydia, don't quite see the point.
wii - Nope
tumble dryer - We've got a washer / dryer. Useful in a flat.
dishwasher - would be lost without it
E-reader - Got one recently. It's great!
smartphone - Not got one, my dumbphone's compicated enough
ipod - my replacement "walkman" Held together by sellotape after I dropped it one time too many.
ipad - Not got one, P and M's getting one, GOK's what for
wii - DS has one
tumble dryer - Used all the time.
dishwasher - Look, this is like bringing up kids. When you describe it, it somehow sounds more trouble than it's worth.
Once you're sharing a house with it, you'd never go back.
E-reader - P and M's got one but they're less technophobic than me in some ways. plus they've got the actual time to read for pleasure, which I wish I had. There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
But one usually goes with the other.
Of the Jews I know, in the UK, I'd say far more keep parts of Kosher rules (say, no pork or seafood at least, like my OH) than keep the Sabbath. But that's only anecdotal.
I came a cropper the first full Sabbath I spent with Orthodox Jews at a Bar Mitzvah in Israel. It was held on the Sabbath, so we all stayed in a huge family-type hotel. It's hard to remember all the rules - I washed my hair and had to dry it fast enough that no-one noticed, I carried things, I made a cup of tea........much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
lostinrates wrote: »Or just commitment..level of belief...or NDG explained, I think, her OH doesn't eat pork/shellfish simply because its cultural, but he's not religious at all.
cousin who came to live with us wasn't really observant, her brother really is...
Yes, OH and his brother don't eat non-Kosher meats and fish, because they were brought up to think of it as inedible and filthy stuff, so it's hard for them now to see it as nice things to eat. And the idea of blood pudding and so forth makes OH turn green. (Me too, and I'm not Kosher at all).
In Israel, it's hard work not to be Kosher, really. Restaurants are almost all one or the other, either all the time, or meal by meal.
I don't not-drink completely, but I drink very little, perhaps 5-10 units a year....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0 -
GDB, it's in (among others) the Gospel according to Mark, Chapter 14, and it's very clear that the Last Supper was the first day of Passover:
12 And the first day of unleavened bread, when they killed the passover, his disciples said unto him, Where wilt thou that we go and prepare that thou mayest eat the passover?
13 And he sendeth forth two of his disciples, and saith unto them, Go ye into the city, and there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: follow him.
14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples?
And he will shew you a large upper room furnished [and] prepared: there make ready for us.
16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
17 And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
18 And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
19 And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, [Is] it I? and another [said, Is] it I?
20 And he answered and said unto them, [It is] one of the twelve, that dippeth with me in the dish.
21 The Son of man indeed goeth, as it is written of him: but woe to that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! good were it for that man if he had never been born.
22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake [it], and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.
23 And he took the cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave [it] to them: and they all drank of it.
24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.
25 Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.
26 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives....much enquiry having been made concerning a gentleman, who had quitted a company where Johnson was, and no information being obtained; at last Johnson observed, that 'he did not care to speak ill of any man behind his back, but he believed the gentleman was an attorney'.0
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