Halifax - June mom + 1.2%

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Try telling those council workers being dismissed and rehired under worse pay that it's ok, as the total claiming job seekers benefits fell by a few hundred last month.

Easy,

Hi wife,
Yes I understand it is a bit unfair but what can you do, your pay is OK for what you do and will be getting flexible working hours.
Good news is that you want to take the little one too and from school each day.

Either that or make 400 unemployed.

Fairly simple to do when you look at it practically.

But don't let this one isolated example which I know a lot about and the reasons why this one council is being effect so distort the view that it is happening to everyone.

Positive data can't happen, it's untrue and should be band. Dave at the pub has lost is job is the only proof I need to disprove it.

Really2

Jegersmart wrote: »

It is a matter of interpretation - basically anyone can see bullish or bearish information in these in order to justify one's own inclination. I am only interested in making money through investments rather than be proven "right" so will change my view easily and without hesitation but always try to look at the information completely objectively.

That may be the case, but that does not really change the fact that negative data get's it way on here quickly and positive data is out there if you are willing to look. (my point ).

It is neither a bull or bear thing, just that the outlook on here by many focuses on the negative side (understandable in the current economic conditions). But I would say your average user on here is not your average man/ woman on the street. In general we are about as sunny as Norway in winter.

Graham_Devon

Really2 wrote: »

But don't let this one isolated example which I know a lot about and the reasons why this one council is being effect so distort the view that it is happening to everyone.

Did I even attempt to distort any view that it was happening to everyone?!

Get a grip lad.

Jegersmart

Really2 wrote: »

That may be the case, but that odes not really change the fact that negative data get's it way on here quickly and positive data is out there if you are willing to look. (my point )

I haven't been here long enough and looked at enough boards here to judge that - I guess I will have to take your word (interpretation ) for that!

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Did I even attempt to distort any view that it was happening to everyone?!

Get a grip lad.

Well I have to bow out as I am fairly busy, but yes you did.

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Average across the country shows one thing in a few sectors.

Experience out there in the field shows different.

For example, try telling public sector workers they can't complain, as actual pay rises are running at 2.5% on average in the UK.

Try telling those council workers being dismissed and rehired under worse pay that it's ok, as the total claiming job seekers benefits fell by a few hundred last month.

So brushing off the positive data as only a few areas then using an example no where near you as proof of otherwise.
You have no experience of that GD as you don't live near me.

So even I could not argue against the positive data and the point you use is personally effecting us.

Graham_Devon

Oh I see. You are struggling with context again.

Fair enough. You carry on.

Really2

Graham_Devon wrote: »

Oh I see. You are struggling with context again.

Sorry? how was that in context to the point there is positive out there?

What you wrote was out of context to the point about positive data out there and how representative a single situation really is?
The service sector is a big thing, negative things may happen in isolation, so may positive things but as a whole what better indicator have you got than data?
The wrangling of jobs at a council 200-300 miles way from you? an emotive point with no link to your experience in the field.


I was unaware the point of there being some positive data out there would cause such a fuss?

Carry on, all figures are made up and do not represent the real world (unless negative of course)

geneer

The forum seems to be looking on nonplussed.
Even the so called bulls don't want to make much of this.

Interesting times.

Really2

geneer wrote: »

Even the so called bulls don't want to make much of this.

What is there to make of it, it is statistical data for one month, the long term data, is indicating a stagnant - very slight nominal rise/fall.

The so called bulls were predicting worse in many cases.

Perhaps many on here just accept the market does what it want's and no matter how much you may wish for something to happen it is out of your hands.

The fact that there could be other positive data out there caused a storm speaks volumes.

geneer

Really2 wrote: »

What is there to make of it, it is statistical data for one month, the long term data, is indicating a stagnant - very slight nominal rise/fall.

The so called bulls were predicting worse in many cases.

Naturally. I believe the post 2007 consensus was that anything less than 70% nominal falls was a win for the bulls.