Teachers please - Y4 expected SATS levels

Lunar_Eclipse

I'm a little surprised by how low some of the schools mentioned are aiming/performing. Our school aims to get all children to L5 in Y6 and plans for the children to progress by two sub levels per year. Obviously not all children achieve the L5, but according to our published statistics, all achieve L4

So an average child, namely one of average intelligence (IQ of 100: they're all tested early in Y3 and come in at 2b from Y2) typically goes 3c - 3a - 4b - 5

Bright children, those that achieve L3 in year 2, do something more like 3a - 4a - 5a - bored ;-) A handful progress quicker still (4A in Y3, 5 in Y4), but our end of Y4 tests are actually capped at level 4A, although some children may test higher than this in teacher assessments.

I would like to add that children progress at different rates and one school environment may suit a child more than another.

peachyprice

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

I'm a little surprised by how low some of the schools mentioned are aiming/performing. Our school aims to get all children to L5 in Y6 and plans for the children to progress by two sub levels per year.

Yes, me too.

kjmtidea

peachyprice wrote: »

Yes, me too.

I love your sig!

My eldest is in year 4 and recently did his practice sats, he got 4a, 4b and 4c but I can't remember for what subjects :rotfl:.
His work has gone down hill a little for quite a few reasons but hopefully he will get back up to the level that he was at.

milliebear00001

Lunar_Eclipse wrote: »

I'm a little surprised by how low some of the schools mentioned are aiming/performing. Our school aims to get all children to L5 in Y6 and plans for the children to progress by two sub levels per year. Obviously not all children achieve the L5, but according to our published statistics, all achieve L4

So an average child, namely one of average intelligence (IQ of 100: they're all tested early in Y3 and come in at 2b from Y2) typically goes 3c - 3a - 4b - 5

Bright children, those that achieve L3 in year 2, do something more like 3a - 4a - 5a - bored ;-) A handful progress quicker still (4A in Y3, 5 in Y4), but our end of Y4 tests are actually capped at level 4A, although some children may test higher than this in teacher assessments.

I would like to add that children progress at different rates and one school environment may suit a child more than another.

Does your school test IQ?

I am not sure what you mean by aiming to get all children to Level 5. That's accelerated progress - not by an individual school's standards, but according to national statistics. The two are very different things. It's not achievable, by definition, on a national basis and I don't know of any schools currently achieving 100% level 5 at the end of Y6.

thatgirlsam

Wow - I don't think I realised that my dd was acheiving quite so high!

I thought that all yr 6 children were supposed to acheive level 5

She acheived level 5 for all her subjects at the end of yr 5 - So I am even more impressed now than I was then!

She is at the end of yr 6 now and is expected to get 5a's for most subject... her teacher told me she is working to at least level 8 in maths

I am even more worried that I am going to let her down - She is far cleverer than me!

milliebear00001

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Wow - I don't think I realised that my dd was acheiving quite so high!

I thought that all yr 6 children were supposed to acheive level 5

She acheived level 5 for all her subjects at the end of yr 5 - So I am even more impressed now than I was then!

She is at the end of yr 6 now and is expected to get 5a's for most subject... her teacher told me she is working to at least level 8 in maths

I am even more worried that I am going to let her down - She is far cleverer than me!

Your daughter has achieved at an extremely high level. Hers are completely unrepresentative of most Year 6 children's assessed levels.

thatgirlsam

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Your daughter has achieved at an extremely high level. Hers are completely unrepresentative of most Year 6 children's assessed levels.

Yes , I knew she was acheiving a high level when she got level 5's at the end of year 5, but I was under the impression that an average year 6 child should get a level 5 (at the end of yr6)

If thats not the case and the average is level 4 then I now realise quite how far ahead she is... and it some ways that really worries me

I know she is not representative but I have to say she is not the only child in her class acheiving these results, I know at least 4 of the other girls are at the same levels

milliebear00001

thatgirlsam wrote: »

Yes , I knew she was acheiving a high level when she got level 5's at the end of year 5, but I was under the impression that an average year 6 child should get a level 5 (at the end of yr6)

If thats not the case and the average is level 4 then I now realise quite how far ahead she is... and it some ways that really worries me

I know she is not representative but I have to say she is not the only child in her class acheiving these results, I know at least 4 of the other girls are at the same levels

Certainly I would expect several children with level 5s - about 70% of the children at my school will leave in year 6 with that level. It is the Level 8 for maths I am surprised by. Most schools would only assess to that level if a child had shown a very rare level of early ability.

I would consider a 10-11 year old working at level 8 in maths to be very gifted with only a very tiny number of other children across the country working at the same level. Level 8 is really GCSE level and would be covering work we don't routinely teach at primary school.

Lunar_Eclipse

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Does your school test IQ?

I am not sure what you mean by aiming to get all children to Level 5. That's accelerated progress - not by an individual school's standards, but according to national statistics. The two are very different things. It's not achievable, by definition, on a national basis and I don't know of any schools currently achieving 100% level 5 at the end of Y6.

Yes, all children are tested in the first half term.

By 'aiming to get', I mean that is the goal at our school. I've just looked at the school results historically and depending on the year and subject, 79-93% achieve Level 5 at KS2. The 2010 published results for children achieving L5 were 79% in English and 85% in Maths. The remainder achieved L4. I know these results are atypical.

thatgirlsam

milliebear00001 wrote: »

Certainly I would expect several children with level 5s - about 70% of the children at my school will leave in year 6 with that level. It is the Level 8 for maths I am surprised by. Most schools would only assess to that level if a child had shown a very rare level of early ability.

I would consider a 10-11 year old working at level 8 in maths to be very gifted with only a very tiny number of other children across the country working at the same level. Level 8 is really GCSE level and would be covering work we don't routinely teach at primary school.

Wow I am shocked

She hasn't had a 'formal' assessment, her teacher told me that she was working to level 8... although that must be in her opinion

I am excited for her to start senior school in September in that case as I think they assess them again to see what level they are, as primary cannot officially give them more than a 5a I think

I know she is extremely bright, she is on the G &T register etc but I didn't know that level 8 was GCSE level

In maths she doesn't work with the rest of the class, her and 3 other girls are taught by another teacher as they said she needed more of a challenge