Public Sector Strikes

Taiko

briancrum wrote: »

SCAB! tell you what then - write a letter to your pay department/HR and tell them that any victories brought about by the Union should not affect your terms and conditions. You stay on the old worse ones since your not paying in you scabby leech

Just for info, because of union action, the last payrise was actually cancelled. Union wanted a lot more than the offer, wouldn't negotiate, employers withdrew their offer completely, freezing pay.

I personally accept pay at what it is felt my employment is worth to them. If it was cut, at least I'd still have a job I enjoy. From experience of the last strikes, from my department the only people who took part were those who it was proven done the least work anyway.

They didn't last much longer. First out the door in the cull.

Flyboy152

Taiko wrote: »

Just for info, because of union action, the last payrise was actually cancelled. Union wanted a lot more than the offer, wouldn't negotiate, employers withdrew their offer completely, freezing pay.

I personally accept pay at what it is felt my employment is worth to them. If it was cut, at least I'd still have a job I enjoy. From experience of the last strikes, from my department the only people who took part were those who it was proven done the least work anyway.

They didn't last much longer. First out the door in the cull.

I think you'll find that was just an excuse.

Who do you work for?

Taiko

I'm pretty sure an offer wouldn't be put on the table for months, then withdrawn, if it was a costcutting measure. It was a case of accept it, or be reasonable with requests. Neither happened, so it was withdrawn.

Not entirely sure what can be gained from my employment details though.

Flyboy152

Taiko wrote: »

I'm pretty sure an offer wouldn't be put on the table for months, then withdrawn, if it was a costcutting measure. It was a case of accept it, or be reasonable with requests. Neither happened, so it was withdrawn.

Not entirely sure what can be gained from my employment details though.

It could help with establishing what type of employer you have and the veracity of your claim.

fluffnutter

Rotor wrote: »

plainly no employer is going to tolerate a 2 tier pay structure with those who have cost them significantly in lost days /production at the top and the loyal employees on a reduced amount

Excuse me? People who want better conditions for everyone and who work hard to achieve those benefits are 'disloyal'. Whatever next? People relinquish their enshrined in law right to protest about unfair working practices out of a sense of loyalty? What loyalty are these employers showing to their employees??

And as for your assertion that employers won't have a 2 tier system - that's absolute nonsense. An employer can pay an employee whatever they choose (provided discrimination plays no part). A 2 tier system is in reality a multi-tiered system.

Rotor

It is obvious 'gross misconduct' to withdraw your labour with the intention of causing enough damage to an employer that they are forced to accede to your demands. Don't like the job - resign

Yes there are 2 tier ( or more ) pay scales ;but I know of no company that has paid a rise only to those who go on strike whilst those not striking ( doing the exact same job) who didn't are denied it. It would be suicide as it would declare that rewards only come to those who damage the business

Rotor

gregg1 wrote: »

is that right? Well teachers and TA's where I work have just been made redundant because the school budgets has been cut by 25% so no "immense" job security there then!!! Although I have to say, whoever taught you mathematics should be hanging their heads in shame!

I hope you're not a teacher. you're the second person to claim the maths is wrong but keep it secret about how they consider it flawed.
No doubt you believe teachers dont have long holidays because they're " doing their marking"

fluffnutter

Rotor wrote: »

It is obvious 'gross misconduct' to withdraw your labour with the intention of causing enough damage to an employer that they are forced to accede to your demands. Don't like the job - resign.

Why should you leave a job you might well love just because your employer is trying to take advantage of the workforce? People don't strike because they don't 'like the job'! That's hilarious :rotfl:

fluffnutter

It's so short-sighted to suggest that leaving a job is the solution to workplace disputes. You'll merely be replaced by someone who's prepared to work for poorer pay, a reduced pension, fewer benefits etc. Over time everyone's rights are eroded as company's squeeze and squeeze the evermore desperate employees.

Moreover, you just move to another company who's doing exactly the same thing. The erosion of employee rights is insidious and companies are very competitive. If Company X can get away with treating their employees badly thus saving themselves money, or increasing their profits, you can bet that Company Y's going to start too.

Standing up for employee's rights creates a better working environment for every single worker in the country.

Rotor

I'm pleased you are so easily amused Nutter:D

You're living in the past. These arn't downtrodden sooty faced sock knitters who are going on strike. These are above average pay public employees who are trying to protect perks and conditions that , even after the reforms, are head and shoulders above that which most people in the private sector receive.( those who are expected to pay in tax for them even after massively increasing the contribution they have to make into their own pensions)