Public Sector Strikes

gregg1

biggaz26 wrote: »

Personally I think, those that do, have cheek going on strike.

Most people in the private sector have had pension rights reduced and told that we have to work until later in life and contribute more whilst earning less and working longer hours.

Then because your super duper pensions are having to be funded your hiting the hard working average man/woman by striking.

The government dont give a !!!!! It wont effect them.

All that and you get school holidays of as well....the cheek of it;)

thats exactly what the public sector have been told BUT the private sector have had the added benefit of historically higher wages so could have/should have saved more towards their pensions when they could. Its their fault if they chose not to.

Flyboy152

real1314 wrote: »

How much is the pay and pension bill for Tesco? I fund that when I shop there.

maninthestreet wrote: »

Then don't shop there - you have that choice.

Sadly, that is becoming more and more difficult these days.

Flyboy152

Taiko wrote: »

Local Government Officer, won't be striking. Not in any union, nor do I agree with the reasoning.

I do pay into the LGPS, and will be happy when I do retire as I've budgeted towards things changing. And whilst there is a lot of waste, there's a lot that gets done that is never reported. I'm onto my second department for troubleshooting now, and since I've gone into both I've contributed to savings, whilst making things more efficient. For my old department though, my work was undone by the last government, who thought they would shift my role to the north of England, alongside the same roles at various other authorities. It then meant that members of the public couldn't access the service at all in person or on a local level, and it actually ended up costing several million more than when dealt with by local authorities.

If the unions achieve better conditions for your colleagues, will you decline any offer you may get to improve your working life and pension prospects?

ceebeeby

fluffnutter wrote: »

Not necessarily the way it's put..(!) but I can't help but agree with the sentiment. Whilst union members are probably charitable enough to use collective bargaining and campaign on everyone's behalf the decent thing to do if you're not part of the union and you don't stand together is not to accept any bounties union action might bring. If you want to fight your own corner, that's absolutely your right. But don't sit on your arse, letting others fight it for you.

So you think those in the public sector that choose to go to work (say doctors and nurses for example) should NOT receive any benefit of any pay award but live off of the satisfaction that they might have saved a life that day whilst colleagues stood on picket lines

Public sector working is about delivering services, some of those services can't just be put on hold for 24hours so not fair to condemn everyone with the SCAB brush for not striking. If you're determined to do that and are unlucky enough to require health care on the day in question, we'll be the ones with the large tar marks on us, happy and willing to help you

Flyboy152

ceebeeby wrote: »

So you think those in the public sector that choose to go to work (say doctors and nurses for example) should NOT receive any benefit of any pay award but live off of the satisfaction that they might have saved a life that day whilst colleagues stood on picket lines

Out of all those proposed strikes, none of them are from the medical profession. That said, it would be up to the individual concerned what action they took. But if they don't even bother to join a union, why should they benefit from the rewards?

Public sector working is about delivering services, some of those services can't just be put on hold for 24hours so not fair to condemn everyone with the SCAB brush for not striking. If you're determined to do that and are unlucky enough to require health care on the day in question, we'll be the ones with the large tar marks on us, happy and willing to help you

Your reinforcement of the need for these services is commendable. I hope you they can rely on your support when the government cut them back even further. If one day shows how much they are needed, it will have had the dersired affect.

I am pretty sure that, for the vast majority of public sector workers, very few people, who benefit from their services, will die as a result of them taking industrial action.

ceebeeby

Flyboy152 wrote: »

I hope you they can rely on your support when the government cut them back even further.

Just to clarify, even if I was the last man (or woman) standing, I would still provide health care support.

Doesn't mean to say I agree with government proposals, it just means that I put the services I provide before the finance stuff and wouldn't risk anyones health for the sake of my pay packet.

worldwheeler

It's funny how the MSM encourage and report on events. The public are shown to apply micro economics to any sector, group or individual member of the public to the effect "they have a good deal, better than mine, I would accept these new conditions, they ought think themselves lucky to have a job". All focus is taken away from this kind of micro analysis when it is corporations, banks, CEO who have life beyond easy.
As I heard one voice say " the pensions are(have already) being stolen to pay the financial industry for the complete mess they have made, what part did the teachers have in this fiasco, none. Where were the council workers when billions were being gambled in the city to generate massive fees to pay massive bonuses? Helping to run communities.

The people of this country and most of the rest of the world, Ireland, Greece, Spain, USA are have masses of there wealth stolen and channelled to the elite 1% at the top. Governments are complicit, funny how the party OUT of power says all the things that should give benefit to the people while the party IN does all the things that benefit elites and corporations.
Wake and enjoy serfdom, it is the future that is PLANNED and arranged for you.

tgon

1. Civil/Public servants also pay tax and at the same rate as everyone else.
2. Dont consuse government politics with the civil service or the civil service and the public sector.
3. Civil service and public sector staff are just as much affected by government policy as everyone else (no matter what party is in power). Civil servants carry no political mandate whatsoever.
4. Very senior civil service management seem to be paid disproportionatly well - the rest are pretty much on a par with the private sector (having worked both sides) but a 2 year pay freeze is hurting the lower paid quite badly.
5. Not defending either but succesful private sector bosses are called entrepreneurs and succesful civil/public sector bosses are called fat cats!
6. The right to strike is lawfully right. They will lose a day's pay but productivity will lose a lot more.

vyle

Jeff_Bridges_hair wrote: »

Thats right - they will lose a days pay for every day they are on strike and will get a token payment from their Union. Some could be getting around £25 for the days strike, if that.

Just like us in the private sector who have also had their pensions reduced and taxed also by the last govt..

Its not as if i dont value the jobs that they do but in the private sector we have to pay an awful lot more of our wages % wise to get a similar % when we retire.

You (and I now) also get better basic pay, and no doubt get staff benefits, be it discounts, or bonuses or something similar.

vikingaero

tgon wrote: »

5. Not defending either but succesful private sector bosses are called entrepreneurs and succesful civil/public sector bosses are called fat cats!

Private sector bosses work in a competitive marketplace where rewards are very much dependent on the work put in - no work no pay.

A Public sector boss works in a monopoly organisation with revenue being "guaranteed" through say Council Taxes and Non Domestic Rates.

The other thing to look out for is the transferance of skills within each sector. Private bosses move fluidly from company to company. Public sector bosses don't move as fluidly from public to private sector. Where this does occur it's often bosses moving laterally to a private company and providing management consulting services to the public sector through contacts - but whilst they ar private companies they are very much tied to the purse strings of the public sector.