Roxburghe Private Parking Fine / Invoice etc...

TimPH

On Thursday last my Mrs received a letter from Roxburghe re. Elite Management ( Midlands) Ltd, asking for £196.00.

I remember getting a ticket on a piece of land adjacent to a pub, but thought it was a joke ... I was just going to the bank over the road ..

Roxburghs are winning at the moment as my Mrs is giving me Hell as the car is registered in her name and I didn't tell her about it.

What to do ? - 14 days to pay apparently .... cowboys, this is profiteering at it's worst.

trisontana

Thanks for starting your own thread. What you do is to completely ignore these clowns. Not a penny is owed to them. For further reassurance for you and your wife please take a look at the "stikies" at the top of this forum. As an added bonus, it's very likely that Roxburghe will be losing their credit licence in the very near future.

esmerobbo

They have passed an unenforceable invoice on to a cowboy debt collection company. It has happened thousands of times have look at the way it works here.

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/2214803

Elite or whoever they are all work the same. Carry on the good work ignoring them.

TimPH

trisontana wrote: »

Thanks for starting your own thread. What you do is to completely ignore these clowns. Not a penny is owed to them. For further reassurance for you and your wife please take a look at the "stikies" at the top of this forum. As an added bonus, it's very likely that Roxburghe will be losing their credit licence in the very near future.

They ought to lose their CCL, they're a sham outfit.

Let's name and shame their Directors :

Gary Osner Date of Birth 19/09/1964
Officers Title Mr Nationality British
Present Appointments 5 Function Director

Appointment Date 13/12/1995
Address Manor House, Lavender Park Road, West Byfleet, KT14 6NA


Badri Nathan Date of Birth 24/05/1964
Officers Title Mr Nationality British
Present Appointments 8 Function Dir
Appointment Date 12/05/2009
Address Manor House, Lavender Park Road, West Byfleet, KT14 6NA
Other Actions View Director Report View Consumer Report View Trace Report

Current Company Secretary

Malcom William Blake Date of Birth -
Officers Title Mr Nationality
Present Appointments 1 Function Company Secretary
Appointment Date 13/12/2009
Address Manor House, Lavender Park Road, West Byfleet, KT14 6NA

TimPH

Gary Osner Date of Birth 19/09/1964
Address Bibury Cottage, 11 Eleanor Grove,barnes, London, SW13 0JN

Coupon-mad

TimPH wrote: »

On Thursday last my Mrs received a letter from Roxburghe re. Elite Management ( Midlands) Ltd, asking for £196.00.

I remember getting a ticket on a piece of land adjacent to a pub, but thought it was a joke ... I was just going to the bank over the road ..

Roxburghs are winning at the moment as my Mrs is giving me Hell as the car is registered in her name and I didn't tell her about it.

What to do ? - 14 days to pay apparently .... cowboys, this is profiteering at it's worst.

Just read the sticky threads 'PPC letters, what to expect' which is self explanatory, and 'welcome, please read before posting' which has a fun Watchdog link with Tim Cary, Solicitor, and his paper aeroplane-making skills:

http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/...play.php?f=163

Just ignore the scammers from now on, and tell your wife, family and friends so no-one falls for this scam in future with any PPC. Make sure you show your wife the Watchdog youtube clip in full!

Basically, only ever take seriously a ticket from the Police, TFL or a Council. Real ones have the word 'penalty' not 'parking charge'.

Flyboy152

TimPH wrote: »

On Thursday last my Mrs received a letter from Roxburghe re. Elite Management ( Midlands) Ltd, asking for £196.00.

I remember getting a ticket on a piece of land adjacent to a pub, but thought it was a joke ... I was just going to the bank over the road ..

Roxburghs are winning at the moment as my Mrs is giving me Hell as the car is registered in her name and I didn't tell her about it.

What to do ? - 14 days to pay apparently .... cowboys, this is profiteering at it's worst.

Why did you park on someone else's land without their permission?

Sirdan

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Why did you park on someone else's land without their permission?

Ah the moral high ground (..not)
..Why is the amount sought so ridiculously high ..why is it not a proper pre estimate of loss / or damage caused ..after all that is all that is allowed for in law.
The PPCs and their DCAs know this but still persist in trying to impose unlawful penalties on unsuspecting individuals ..so not such a high moral ground after all.

The whole business model is based on the deception that errant motorists have to pay these extortionate penalties and if they don't a County Court case WILL follow and the Court WILL make them pay plus costs on top ...not true though is it ?..
Attempting to obtain money be deception ..hmm ..ought to be a crime really !! (Unlike trespass / breach of contract which isn't !)

Flyboy152

Sirdan wrote: »

Ah the moral high ground (..not)
..Why is the amount sought so ridiculously high ..why is it not a proper pre estimate of loss / or damage caused ..after all that is all that is allowed for in law.
The PPCs and their DCAs know this but still persist in trying to impose unlawful penalties on unsuspecting individuals ..so not such a high moral ground after all.

The whole business model is based on the deception that errant motorists have to pay these extortionate penalties and if they don't a County Court case WILL follow and the Court WILL make them pay plus costs on top ...not true though is it ?..
Attempting to obtain money be deception ..hmm ..ought to be a crime really !! (Unlike trespass / breach of contract which isn't !)

Yeah......right. Trespasser sees a bit land and thinks, "ooh, I can get away with parking on someone else's property for free."

Sirdan

Flyboy152 wrote: »

Yeah......right. Trespasser sees a bit land and thinks, "ooh, I can get away with parking on someone else's property for free."

Exactly why PPCs and their supporters don't like courts ..because you can't even construct a decent case using logic.

You take issue with the words "unsuspecting individuals" by implying that they know fine well that they are trespassing by parking uninvited.

I haven't suggested otherwise.

Sadly if you read what I wrote in a proper logical context it is apparent to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that my reference to "unsuspecting individuals" relates to them not for one moment suspecting that their alleged trespass will lead to the stream of unenforceable demands and threats backed up by a good dose of outright LIES in the form of a letter chain from PPC,DCA and Sols.

Perhaps you would care to explain why PPCs never pursue reasonable losses or damages for trespass into court but prefer to harass motorists for unenforceable penalties.

Examples you may care to explain.

"if the driver is not identified you the keeper are liable and we will pursue you for this amount" LIE

"you have stated that you do not know who was driving at the time this is a breach of the Road Traffic Act" -LIE and even if it were true what the hell has it to do with anyone except the Police ?

"you are obliged to disclose information prior to a hearing by virtue of Civil Procedured Rule 31.16, we therefore require you to disclose who was driving" -LIE

"If you fail to pay your credit rating will be affected" -LIE not without a hearing that the Claimant wins and the defendent then fails to pay

"If you fail to pay warrant of execution may be sought and baliffs will attend to remove goods from your property" LIE as above

"If you do not pay you WILL incur a CCJ" -LIE as above

"If you fai lto pay an attatchment of earnings order may be made" LIE as above.

"PCN" -deliberately misleading Parking Charge Notice named in order to dupe people into thinking it is a statutory PCN (Penalty Charge Notice"

"Civil Penalty Charge" -falsely implies statutory authority.

"If is an offence for anyone but the driver to remove this notice" -LIE it is no such thing.


So many lies and deceptions Why why why ~???? After all a simple trespass or breach of contract should be straight forward in court if only reasonable damages / losses are claimed .

I don't condone inappropriate parking but I don't see how this gives this so called industry the right to attempt to extort money by threats,lies and deceptions.

Flyboy152

Sirdan wrote: »

Exactly why PPCs and their supporters don't like courts ..because you can't even construct a decent case using logic.

You take issue with the words "unsuspecting individuals" by implying that they know fine well that they are trespassing by parking uninvited.

I haven't suggested otherwise.

Sadly if you read what I wrote in a proper logical context it is apparent to anyone with a modicum of intelligence that my reference to "unsuspecting individuals" relates to them not for one moment suspecting that their alleged trespass will lead to the stream of unenforceable demands and threats backed up by a good dose of outright LIES in the form of a letter chain from PPC,DCA and Sols.

Perhaps you would care to explain why PPCs never pursue reasonable losses or damages for trespass into court but prefer to harass motorists for unenforceable penalties.

Examples you may care to explain.

"if the driver is not identified you the keeper are liable and we will pursue you for this amount" LIE

"you have stated that you do not know who was driving at the time this is a breach of the Road Traffic Act" -LIE and even if it were true what the hell has it to do with anyone except the Police ?

"you are obliged to disclose information prior to a hearing by virtue of Civil Procedured Rule 31.16, we therefore require you to disclose who was driving" -LIE

"If you fail to pay your credit rating will be affected" -LIE not without a hearing that the Claimant wins and the defendent then fails to pay

"If you fail to pay warrant of execution may be sought and baliffs will attend to remove goods from your property" LIE as above

"If you do not pay you WILL incur a CCJ" -LIE as above

"If you fai lto pay an attatchment of earnings order may be made" LIE as above.

"PCN" -deliberately misleading Parking Charge Notice named in order to dupe people into thinking it is a statutory PCN (Penalty Charge Notice"

"Civil Penalty Charge" -falsely implies statutory authority.

"If is an offence for anyone but the driver to remove this notice" -LIE it is no such thing.


So many lies and deceptions Why why why ~???? After all a simple trespass or breach of contract should be straight forward in court if only reasonable damages / losses are claimed .

I don't condone inappropriate parking but I don't see how this gives this so called industry the right to attempt to extort money by threats,lies and deceptions.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.........Huh.......Oh sorry, are you finished?

reference to "unsuspecting individuals" relates to them not for one moment suspecting that their alleged trespass will lead to the stream of unenforceable demands and threats backed up by a good dose of outright LIES in the form of a letter chain from PPC,DCA and Sols.

What a crock. Of course they know, even if there are no signs, it is pretty damned obvious, to most sensible people, that if you park on someone else's land there are likely to be consequences. Most right thinking people will check first, to establish if the land is either a proper car park, or someones private property. Why would you not?

If you take your own "campaign," for example. If we are to believe that you have been successful in publicising the presence of parking companies and the inherent risks involved with trespassing on someone else's land, it should be enough to deter anyone, even the most stupid of people. But, if you are adamant that there are still people who have been living under a rock for the last ten years, your "campaign" hasn't been as successful as you like to imagine, has it.