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Roxburghe Private Parking Fine / Invoice etc...
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What a crock. Of course they know, even if there are no signs, it is pretty damned obvious, to most sensible people, that if you park on someone else's land there are likely to be consequences. Most right thinking people will check first, to establish if the land is either a proper car park, or someones private property. Why would you not?
If you take your own "campaign," for example. If we are to believe that you have been successful in publicising the presence of parking companies and the inherent risks involved with trespassing on someone else's land, it should be enough to deter anyone, even the most stupid of people. But, if you are adamant that there are still people who have been living under a rock for the last ten years, your "campaign" hasn't been as successful as you like to imagine, has it.
Good avoidance in answering why PPCs use lies and intimidation !All aboard the Gus Bus !0 -
Good avoidance in answering why PPCs use lies and intimidation !
No it isn't, because the question has been asked many times before and it has been answered. This is nothing to do with the after event tactics the parking companies use. This is about the seemingly holier-than-thou attitude taken by many people, who appear to think they should be allowed to park wherever they want. The question is; why did the OP not check first to see if he could park there, rather than go through the hassle he is now experiencing?The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
No it isn't, because the question has been asked many times before and it has been answered. This is nothing to do with the after event tactics the parking companies use. This is about the seemingly holier-than-thou attitude taken by many people, who appear to think they should be allowed to park wherever they want. The question is; why did the OP not check first to see if he could park there, rather than go through the hassle he is now experiencing?
Naughty troll stop spreading your LIES. This forum as a general rule does not support anyone parking where they should not. It is persistent miscreants such as these that led to PPCs existence ..that however does not justify bullying,threats,lies and deception in order to maximise PROFIT.
That is the BIG LIE ..PPCs are" there to help with parking management" ..no they are NOT if they were they would use the perfectly acceptable methods of warnings,barriers and as a last resort proper court actions for either trespass or breach of contract AND furthermore they would allow sensible reasonable appeals to be upheld.
PPCs are wholly unregulated and hence are deliberately misleading the public in order to garner as big a profit as possible .That is the simple TRUTH.
IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN A SCAM !0 -
Dont know the full details of the land where the OP parked, at worst he was trespassing. The civil penalty for civil trespass is decided by a DJ in a county court. Not some leech in a PPC office who makes the rules up as they go along.0
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No it isn't, because the question has been asked many times before and it has been answered. This is nothing to do with the after event tactics the parking companies use. This is about the seemingly holier-than-thou attitude taken by many people, who appear to think they should be allowed to park wherever they want. The question is; why did the OP not check first to see if he could park there, rather than go through the hassle he is now experiencing?
Presumably there was a lack of clear signage otherwise I doubt he would have parked there.
Most people on here do NOT expect to be able to park anywhere they want - there are many posts condemning the few with that type of attitude. What we want is a fair system that prevents parking abuse but doesn't impose unlawful charges on people for a minor infraction of a contract. We also want PPCs ( if they have to exist ) to be transparent and to stop carrying out unlawful acts such as harassment. There should be an independent appeals process as well. Conviction in a criminal court of a PPC director should also mean immediate and final withdrawal of access to DVLA data.
Finally charges for breaking the contract should reflect the true loss to the landowner NOT the sky high profiteering levels that they currently try to scare people into paying.
PPCs won't clean their act up so people such as me will spread the word that not paying is the best course of action. Hopefully they'll all go bust soon and the directors of PPCs will lose their houses.All aboard the Gus Bus !0 -
Presumably there was a lack of clear signage otherwise I doubt he would have parked there.
Was he incapable of finding a sign that said, "you can park here?" I would have thought that most normal people would have realised that if they can't see such a sign, they shouldn't park there. If it's not a public car park, it is someone private proeprty. Surely that is the most logical assumption anyone can make.Most people on here do NOT expect to be able to park anywhere they want
I am not referring to the regualr posters, but most of the ones who post here telling us they have received one of these notices.- there are many posts condemning the few with that type of attitude. What we want is a fair system that prevents parking abuse but doesn't impose unlawful charges on people for a minor infraction of a contract. We also want PPCs ( if they have to exist ) to be transparent and to stop carrying out unlawful acts such as harassment. There should be an independent appeals process as well. Conviction in a criminal court of a PPC director should also mean immediate and final withdrawal of access to DVLA data.
I don't think there that many. It certainly isn't the impression I get from many posters who think, because there is no sign saying, "do not park here," they should be allowed to park there.Finally charges for breaking the contract should reflect the true loss to the landowner NOT the sky high profiteering levels that they currently try to scare people into paying.
Again I disagree. Nearly all of those giving advice belive that the "losses" should be pennies, not true reflection of the inconvenience and audacity of those who have no respect for others and their property.PPCs won't clean their act up so people such as me will spread the word that not paying is the best course of action. Hopefully they'll all go bust soon and the directors of PPCs will lose their houses.
Will never happen, because there will be someone else who will take their place. I am not against regulation, on the contrary, I believe there should be very, very strict regulation, but their is growing trend amongst many who "campaign" against parking control, who belive the landowners should just put up with people parking on their private property.The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
will-in-estoril wrote: »Charging to park on private land is perfectly legal, as long as there are signs to tell you that.
What is not legal is to issue penalty notices on private land, which appears to be the case here. There are legal judgments going back 100 years which back this up. Only the police and councils can issue penalty notices.
Invoices are only enforceable if they equate to losses the landowner has suffered, not a penny more.
Of course, if this landowner had clear signs up stating that it cost £196 to park on the land for 10 minutes then this could be a different matter, but I doubt that this was the case.
The law is how it is.
I don't disagree, but then there was no indication that there were signs saying that the OP could park there, either.The greater danger, for most of us, lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low and achieving our mark0 -
Again I disagree. Nearly all of those giving advice belive that the "losses" should be pennies, not true reflection of the inconvenience and audacity of those who have no respect for others and their property.
No, we suggest that given PPCs try to use contract law to impose the charges that they should at least stick to said contract law. That allows them to claim losses for the broken contract. If what they / the land owner has lost is pennies then that is indeed what they are entitled to claim. Then again, the PPCs don't like sticking to the law do they ?
You can't sue for inconvenience and audacity in a small claims court !All aboard the Gus Bus !0 -
.... and Flyboy, what do you do for a 'living' ??0
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