how far can i actually take this?

catfish50

gojojo wrote: »

really i could go to the jc and claim that yea i can work between the hours 8-8pm knowing that i cant, and then make every excuse under the sun on why i couldnt apply for the "perfect" job!

this is what im getting at they have not taken my situation in consideration at all, i am willing to take this as far as possible to point out that not everyone cant and shouldnt be classed under the working hours of 8-8pm

I do sympathize with your desire to stay at home with your child full time, but look at it as a question of affordability.

There have to be limits on who is granted JSA. The economy's in the worst shape for many years, it's just not affordable for all mothers who would like to stay home with their children to be granted benefit to facilitate that. There would have to be tax rises to pay for that, and another tax rise would wreck the economy.

Although there might be little difference in the amount you would be receiving from [wage - childcare costs] and the amount you would be receiving from benefit, there's one big difference, which is where the money comes from. If it comes from benefit, it's coming out of tax money, whereas if it comes from wages, it doesn't.

I wish you luck finding a job that suits the hours you want. (Although speaking for myself I would have been too knackered after looking after the kids all day to go out and work, but I know people do manage it.)

2gorgeousgirls

gojojo wrote: »

the fact i choose to stay at home during "normal" working hours and choose to look for work between 5-12pm mon-sun should not be an issue to the JSA! unless im going to be entering a job that pays out 25+k childminding would deff be benificial but at the moement it does not make sense to! (previous debts are from before i met my partner and will be cleared by jan next year) i expect the financial help as i have worked since being 15 and payed my way, the moment i have asked for help i get kicked down constantly! i dont want and dont plan on being on benefits for as long as i can get away with it, i WANT a job and i NEED the financial help in the meantime whilst finding one!

Doesn't work like that. No-one can expect help. Help is there for those who meet the criteria not just because you have paid in. At the end of the day you have restricted your hours and the DM has to look at whether, in your location and the types of job available, that is feasible. End of.

mia1830

Hi,

Just been reading through this post and ould just like to say it is slightly unfair that you are looking for work but not allowed to claim some sort of benefit to help with living costs until you are able to find a job. I certainly would not work just to pay someone else to bring my child up and only have a few ££ left of it whats the point?

We have been lucky that I had a job that would have been flexible for when we decided to have children so knew i would be able to get hours to suit when returning to work, I work from 5am till 10am then my OH works 12-9 so we can cover child care ourselves. I am 100% for mums to work part-time around their OH hours so you can bring up your own child, time goes by to quickly you miss so much if they are with someone else 6-8hrs a day 5 days a week. Getting by on a smaller wage and doing unpleasent hours means nothing compared to the joy I have of bringing our child up, and me and the OH have wkends of so then family time is spent together. Good luck in your job search, don't let anyone put you down for wanting to do whats best for your family

Torry_Quine

mia1830 wrote: »

Hi,

Just been reading through this post and ould just like to say it is slightly unfair that you are looking for work but not allowed to claim some sort of benefit to help with living costs until you are able to find a job. I certainly would not work just to pay someone else to bring my child up and only have a few ££ left of it whats the point?

We have been lucky that I had a job that would have been flexible for when we decided to have children so knew i would be able to get hours to suit when returning to work, I work from 5am till 10am then my OH works 12-9 so we can cover child care ourselves. I am 100% for mums to work part-time around their OH hours so you can bring up your own child, time goes by to quickly you miss so much if they are with someone else 6-8hrs a day 5 days a week. Getting by on a smaller wage and doing unpleasent hours means nothing compared to the joy I have of bringing our child up, and me and the OH have wkends of so then family time is spent together. Good luck in your job search, don't let anyone put you down for wanting to do whats best for your family

Those are very good points. It does seem ridiculous that someone who is willing to work can't get a little help but sadly if you don't fit the criteria they set it can be very diffficult.

Ayelet

catfish50 wrote: »

I do sympathize with your desire to stay at home with your child full time, but look at it as a question of affordability.

There have to be limits on who is granted JSA. The economy's in the worst shape for many years, it's just not affordable for all mothers who would like to stay home with their children to be granted benefit to facilitate that. There would have to be tax rises to pay for that, and another tax rise would wreck the economy.

Although there might be little difference in the amount you would be receiving from [wage - childcare costs] and the amount you would be receiving from benefit, there's one big difference, which is where the money comes from. If it comes from benefit, it's coming out of tax money, whereas if it comes from wages, it doesn't.

I wish you luck finding a job that suits the hours you want. (Although speaking for myself I would have been too knackered after looking after the kids all day to go out and work, but I know people do manage it.)

This was my point in my previous post. I am single, no children and work an evening job which is tiring and I don't think it could be sustainable in the long term. Money imo is only worth so much, but family time/health and worth far more.

My parents worked this kind of way with my father working during the day and my mother working in the evenings doing cleaning jobs. While their relationship is far from perfect, we never got the chance to do anything as a family and anytime that was free was spent feeling knackered. Neither had a social life because there was no time and the loneiness of feeling locked up in the house looking after kids left them worried about nothing but money.

shellyruby

totally understand your situation..my partner starts early and finshes at 2 pm then i work from 3-9.30 3 evenings a week..if for any reason i lost my job i would be in the exact same position..definalty appeal..it not that you cant work but are restricted to what you can work..the same as i would be...seems very unfair..we arent all textbook and there should be some leeway in place..good luck with it.

kelloggs36

On the appeal, state that that reason you decided not to go back to work is because the childcare ate up more than all of your wage - making you even worse off! I got JSA because I was breastfeeding my baby, there was no argument about it at all. You may find that you win at appeal because you are not making yourself unavailable, but just changing the hours you can work - there are many 24 hour supermarkets open these days which makes it possible to get such a job - good luck.

gojojo_2

shellyruby wrote: »

totally understand your situation..my partner starts early and finshes at 2 pm then i work from 3-9.30 3 evenings a week..if for any reason i lost my job i would be in the exact same position..definalty appeal..it not that you cant work but are restricted to what you can work..the same as i would be...seems very unfair..we arent all textbook and there should be some leeway in place..good luck with it.

this is what im getting at they cant set out a contract to round everybody up on the same page! my life is different to yours, as yours would be different to the next! ill definalty be appealing time and time again!

gojojo_2

catfish50 wrote: »

I do sympathize with your desire to stay at home with your child full time, but look at it as a question of affordability.

There have to be limits on who is granted JSA. The economy's in the worst shape for many years, it's just not affordable for all mothers who would like to stay home with their children to be granted benefit to facilitate that. There would have to be tax rises to pay for that, and another tax rise would wreck the economy.

Although there might be little difference in the amount you would be receiving from [wage - childcare costs] and the amount you would be receiving from benefit, there's one big difference, which is where the money comes from. If it comes from benefit, it's coming out of tax money, whereas if it comes from wages, it doesn't.

I wish you luck finding a job that suits the hours you want. (Although speaking for myself I would have been too knackered after looking after the kids all day to go out and work, but I know people do manage it.)

what amazes me though they are willing to pay £265 a month to support your childcare costs, so they dont have to pay you the £204 (alot less when totted up) for jsa to help support you to look for work which hours that suit peoples family life!

gojojo_2

2gorgeousgirls wrote: »

Doesn't work like that. No-one can expect help. Help is there for those who meet the criteria not just because you have paid in. At the end of the day you have restricted your hours and the DM has to look at whether, in your location and the types of job available, that is feasible. End of.

i meet the criteria IM LOOKING FOR WORK im willing to work 40 hrs a week but just because i want to work from 5 in the evening im not entitled to jack?

i hope your never placed in a situation like this and find that you recieve no help what so ever!