Bioflow magnetic collars/Ester C for hips problems - anyone can comment?

Mankysteve

The collars are Quackery. You can give them ago but they'll make no more difference than the placebo effect. Your much better going along with what your vet suggestions any treatment he/she gives will be the best rout please don't use a some quackery collar instead of professional veterinarian advice.

walwin

Mankysteve wrote: »

The collars are Quackery. You can give them ago but they'll make no more difference than the placebo effect. Your much better going along with what your vet suggestions any treatment he/she gives will be the best rout please don't use a some quackery collar instead of professional veterinarian advice.

Pray tell me how the placebo effect works with a dog????

The collar isn't instead of veterinary advice.

If you're going to comment at least have the manners to read the previous posts properly :mad:

Mankysteve

Placebo effect is proven to work on dog because type owners expect to see an improvement they do the animal may also be receiveing other treatment that is actually the improvement as owners who we willing to spend so quid in a collar are also Lilly to be the type that use other treatments. There is no proof magnets work nor any explanation as to why they work. To have any effect on tissues you need 1Telsa + magnetic gripe which is stronger than magnetic gripes in MIR scanners.

I know people clam its helped there dogs. But without a double blind with a proper control group antidotal evidence is worthless human eye witnesses evidence is the lowest form of evidence. So far no one has proven that it works or how it works. Ie quackery.

Anyone who replaces proper vet treatment with a magnetic collar is comiting an act of animal cruelty

Mankysteve

gettingready wrote: »

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Her vet, who is an orthopeadic specialist is away till the end of April - will see him beginning of May to perhaps change her meds but I am looking at Bioflow collars and wonder if anyone got any experience with those?

The but statement susgest to me someone considering useing the collar instead of vet treatment

gettingready

Zara is on Matacam and will stay on it till I see the vet again beginning of May - nowhere I say that I plan to use the collar instead of whatever vet feels is right for her in terms of medication... it will be in adition to it.

meerkat2007

I omitted to mention in my earlier message that my dog is also on medication for his arthritis, and had been for a long time before I bought the magnetic collar.

In summary, he is on medication from the vet, wears a magnetic collar, and goes for a hydrotherapy session once a week, with a qualified hydrotherapist.

gettingready

I do not really think anyone on this board would ever think of getting "things" instead of following vet's advice - it is just that we try to see what ELSE can help our pets...

Ordering the collar now...will see

ali-t

Mankysteve wrote: »

Placebo effect is proven to work on dog because type owners expect to see an improvement they do the animal may also be receiveing other treatment that is actually the improvement as owners who we willing to spend so quid in a collar are also Lilly to be the type that use other treatments. There is no proof magnets work nor any explanation as to why they work. To have any effect on tissues you need 1Telsa + magnetic gripe which is stronger than magnetic gripes in MIR scanners.

I know people clam its helped there dogs. But without a double blind with a proper control group antidotal evidence is worthless human eye witnesses evidence is the lowest form of evidence. So far no one has proven that it works or how it works. Ie quackery.

Anyone who replaces proper vet treatment with a magnetic collar is comiting an act of animal cruelty

Well Mankysteve, my dog can't read so has no understanding of what is contained in the journals that either corroborate or denounce your views.

My dog is no longer on any medication so we just use the collar and have no stiffness, limping or yelping due to pain. If the collar comes off for either a bath, trip to the beach or just to wash it, it is very evident as all of the symptoms return.

You call it quackery, I call it effective. As for committing animal cruelty - I believe pumping animals full of chemicals when there are alternatives is cruel but each to their own.

paddypaws101

ali-t wrote: »

Well Mankysteve, my dog can't read so has no understanding of what is contained in the journals that either corroborate or denounce your views.



You call it quackery, I call it effective. As for committing animal cruelty - I believe pumping animals full of chemicals when there are alternatives is cruel but each to their own.

I use a Bioflow collar for Nellie one of my cats...and have to say that I have seen a definite and long lasting improvement. However I do ALSO use Vitamin C ( which I have mentioned to you before )also Cortaflex and fish oil.
http://www.workingdogs.com/doc0039.htm
Oh....and she gets regular vet check ups Mankysteve!

Mankysteve

ali-t wrote: »

Well Mankysteve, my dog can't read so has no understanding of what is contained in the journals that either corroborate or denounce your views.

My dog is no longer on any medication so we just use the collar and have no stiffness, limping or yelping due to pain. If the collar comes off for either a bath, trip to the beach or just to wash it, it is very evident as all of the symptoms return.

You call it quackery, I call it effective. As for committing animal cruelty - I believe pumping animals full of chemicals when there are alternatives is cruel but each to their own.

You prove to me it works using proper scientific double blind test and Ill have it tattooed across my forehead that it works. It would make no difference what you attached to your dog collar a bit of plastic would have the same effect. Its just a simple case POS hov ergo hoc