Left lane for left and straight on, right for right?

Wig

Road_Hog wrote: »

Piffle, that is virtually a 90 degree turn, it is the first turning and it is to the left. There is no straight ahead turn off.

"The first turning" ?

It is the second exit on the RBt and the exit is at approx 11oclock. ????

The HC says "any intermediate exit use appropriate lane", in this example the "appropriate lane" is left, but some may still prefer to use right lane for the second exit.

Whatever the case of the green, the idiot red driver should never use the left approach lane to take the first exit.

Wig

DirectDebacle wrote: »

I have not stated I would use the wrong lane. On unmarked roundabouts there are no lanes so the most appropriate position is adopted..

Ummm, didn't you say you could envisage using the right lane approach to take the first exit on the RBt - the red path? I have news for you buddy, that IS the wrong lane.

Read the highway code, it's been quoted here:
When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

• signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
• keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

DirectDebacle wrote: »

Depending on the circumstances red or green routes are perfectly acceptable exit lines. Looking at the photo there doesn't appear to be any designated lane markings on the roundabout so you simply choose the most appropriate lane.

You have no choice! there is no "choosing of appropriate-ness" about this! To go left you approach in the left hand lane, signal left, keep left and exit freaking left! If you have a bump doing what you're advocating it will be your fault.

At the bottom of photo the approach to the roundabout has two lanes with what appears to be an HGV with a car behind it, both in the offside lane. The roundabout has an HGV on it which the red line has been drawn through.

And your point is?

Wig

Inactive wrote: »

Wrong, the same rules apply as in the picture at 185 here;

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070338


The vehicle in green is going ahead, so should approach in the left lane, unless road/traffic marking advise otherwise.

I disagree, that is not what it says in the HC, and not what is implied. The green car can choose the appropriate lane, this has nothing to do with road markings (except of course that markings means there is no choice). It has everything to do with the situation on the ground, the traffic flow etc, if most cars in the left lane are turning left (you have to be local to know this sort of info) then you can take the right lane to pass all the traffic turning left, and neatly take the second exit. Equally if most cars in the right lane are turning right and the left lane is empty you can take the left lane. However all drivers should be aware that someone in either lane could choose to go straight on because they could be from out of town or just chose the other lane. If everyone is doing what they SHOULD do this will not affect anyone else, because no-one in the left lane should be turning right, and no-one in the right lane should be turning left.

jase1

If there is no signposting stating that the inside lane is left-turn only, it is not appropriate to turn left from the right-hand lane. End of story. Else you'd have T-bones every other week.

cyclonebri1

Jeeeees you need to see the example I quoted earlier, left hand lane out of 3 marked "right"

I'd love to spend 24hrs there with a video cam:rotfl:

jase1

Plenty of dodgy roundabouts around.

Personal favourite of mine is the A183/A19 in Sunderland. Coming off the 183 eastwards, the 19 is the third exit on the right. The dual carriageway splits into three, with the rightmost two clearly marked right/A19 South. The middle is marked straight/right.

Problem is, if you take the right hand lane to join the 19, you traverse around the right hand lane of three on the roundabout. When you get to the point where the oval swings around to the right, the left lane continues straight only, and the two remaining lanes split into four -- the rightmost two being right-hand only!!

So having taken the right hand lane you then have cut across two lanes to actually take the A19 turnoff, and all this with traffic lights in the middle of it all.

Chaos ensues, with a mass of vehicles pointing every which way. I quickly learned to take the middle lane around the roundabout.

Classic piece of dozy design.

Inactive

Wig wrote: »

I disagree, that is not what it says in the HC, and not what is implied.

Check out the diagramme / picture in the Highway Code, that is exactly what is shown and is correct.

It is no use quoting " local knowledge " many drivers do not have that benefit.

Inactive

Road_Hog wrote: »

Piffle, that is virtually a 90 degree turn, it is the first turning and it is to the left. There is no straight ahead turn off.

You must be looking at a different photo to me then.

DirectDebacle

Inactive wrote: »

Not true, Cajef agrees with me, he was a an ADI, giving driver training at varying levels, do what you suggested on a driving test and it would result in a fail.

The Highway Code is quite clear, look at the picture.

I fear that you have been on some so called driver training programme from the AA of all people and have either been badly instructed or misunderstood what you were told.

I told you before, stick with what you know, that is wooden worktops.

As usual you are unable to explain your incorrect assertions so resort to your old ploy of trying to change the subject. I haven't seen a post from Cajef, or anyone else for that matter, supporting your interpretation of a picture or the words used in Rules 184,185 and 186 of the H.C.

DirectDebacle

Wig wrote: »

Ummm, didn't you say you could envisage using the right lane approach to take the first exit on the RBt - the red path? I have news for you buddy, that IS the wrong lane.

Read the highway code, it's been quoted here:
When taking the first exit to the left, unless signs or markings indicate otherwise

• signal left and approach in the left-hand lane
• keep to the left on the roundabout and continue signalling left to leave

You have no choice! there is no "choosing of appropriate-ness" about this! To go left you approach in the left hand lane, signal left, keep left and exit freaking left! If you have a bump doing what you're advocating it will be your fault.

And your point is?

I have read the H.C. and understand it. It explains what, as a road user, you must/must not do (the law), what you should/should not do (strongly advises you follow it, but not illegal if not followed) these rules are indicated clearly in the H.C. and finally other advice which you may or may not choose to follow.

Rules 184,185 are rules which you should follow. Rule 186 is merely advice which you may consider to take all, any or none, depending upon the circumstances.

You (and others) mistakenly believe that Rule 186 is a rule that should be followed. It isn't because it is not indicated as a rule that should be followed.
Commonsense will tell you that if every suggestion in that rule were applied rigidly to every roundabout, regardless of the traffic or other conditions, then, under certain circumstances it would be a bad rule.

You have no choice

I do. The H.C. gives me that choice.